When will we finally hear something about the skill squish in gac?
More and more players fall out of kyber 1. (Guess we'll be somewhere around 1000 now) Everyone knows the reason is an error in the calculation of the skill squish at the start of each gac season, but it is ignored by cg so far. No post, no reaction in all previous forum posts about this issue. Even the 50th ranked player is only 260 skill points above relegation now. If you are in the top 900, a loss in first round will already throw you down to kyber 2. I believe it starts to hurt even the top players now.
There's a Division with only 5 players in it? Not sure I understand your images.
That last topic was what the solution would be were there no Squish: Changing the Skill Rating ranges instead. Either would work.
That Carbonite looks to be growing is interesting, since it somewhat makes sense with inactive accounts, and those that skip/join GAC, dropping. At some point all of Carbonite 5 would fill up with these, and start spilling upward. Perhaps the High/Low swapping mechanic is how Carbonite can grow over 20%. And how other Leagues end up shrinking, and dropping from their original percentages.
"sille;c-2414087" wrote: Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured
This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others
They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.
If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.
That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.
"CG_Tusken_Meathead;c-2414082" wrote: I will bring your concerns to the appropriate team
Wow, 2 years ago i put this squish nonsense on the bug list couse i couldnt understand why i was demoted despite winning..and now the flaw in ranking system will be adressed....after 2 years....fix the design and there wont be concerns...
"sille;c-2414087" wrote: Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured
This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others
They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.
If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.
That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.
The squish happens to all the signed up players. Not logged in accounts do not sign up.
Inbox things only arrive when you log in, and only if you log in within a set amount of days of the reward being sent. If that player logged in today, they would not receive 365 days of grand arena crystal daily rewards.
"sille;c-2414087" wrote: Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured
This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others
They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.
If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.
That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.
The squish happens to all the signed up players. Not logged in accounts do not sign up.
Inbox things only arrive when you log in, and only if you log in within a set amount of days of the reward being sent. If that player logged in today, they would not receive 365 days of grand arena crystal daily rewards.
These things may well be true, but these weren’t the questions I was asking.
Hopefully more clearly, does the game continue to track this player as though they have the 3810 SR as shown in the screenshot above? If so, does the game still consider them to be ‘in’ K1 and if so is it allocating one lot of the daily k1 rewards to this player? It may be that in the back-end that we can’t see they have been relegated and actually have an SR around ~1600 or some other low number.
@CG_Tusken_Meathead to give some context to your raising this with the team , I started this season ranked 383. The person in my bracket that went 0-3 after week one was relegated to Kyber 2, having also started with a rank similar to mine(within 8). Surely this can't be considered "in line" with what was originally communicated when the system was introduced (K1 would be top 10% of Kyber).
"sille;c-2414087" wrote: Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured
This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others
They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.
If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.
That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.
The squish happens to all the signed up players. Not logged in accounts do not sign up.
Inbox things only arrive when you log in, and only if you log in within a set amount of days of the reward being sent. If that player logged in today, they would not receive 365 days of grand arena crystal daily rewards.
Not sure any of this is true. The squish happens sometime later today, but before GAC actually starts. Entirely possible there will be people not signed up when the squish happens, so the system will have to include even those that aren't signed up. Maybe it only squishes those that signed up last week, but it definitely can't just do players currently signed up.
Also, the inbox items are sent at the same time to all players every day (in the case of GAC rewards). So even though the player isn't logging in, there are still things sent to their inbox. When they log in they will see them, though most things expire after 3 days.
"CG_Tusken_Meathead;c-2414082" wrote: I will bring your concerns to the appropriate team
While it's nice to get a CG-team response in this thread, the implication that the appropriate team isn't already well aware of this is pretty disappointing :(
They're aware.
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