When will we finally hear something about the skill squish in gac?

"thedrjojo;c-2413549" wrote:
@Taliana has explained why this has happened, and it's all Aesop's fault (kidding but not really).

The squish formula is based on the range of scores in a division, so k1 is the only one that the range is so wide so the squish is more than intended.

She has proposed many good solutions. Listen to her interview on under the holotable... It's a fascinating dive and way more knowledgeable than anything in this thread (and I know tagging her will summon her to nerd out here and set you all straight)

It doesn't matter if we agree with her, or listen to her. It's CG that needs to do the listening and fix this. Again it gives a perception that there's an issue only effecting players negatively, so it's a lower priority to fix and to talk about with players.

They apparently have more important things to work on, like new "content" to release.

"Screerider;c-2413510" wrote:

"Rokaryn_Mazel;c-2413500" wrote:
Sure, your ranking does not change, but your ranking does not determine your division, the boundary for K1 is 3610. Eventually, the 50th ranked player in world will be 3605 and K2, unless squish is changed.

Yes, they're failing with K1. Acknowledged.

As to ranking, let's take an example. Suppose we're trying to keep K1 to the Top 2% of the player-base. And after a GAC Season, about 3% of the players have a Skill Rating value over 3610. To get back to 2%, you've have to shave that bottom 1% off into K2. Sadge.

And then you linearly map these player's Skill Ratings over to new Skill Ratings so that the unfortunate 1% ends up under 3610, and pull down the values of the Top 2% down closer to 3610 as well. What I think of as "The Squish" (YMMV).

If keeping the percentages as originally laid out is a goal, this would be an obvious way to do it. And we really don't know it isn't. The shrinking of K1 is either an error or intentional, if this if what CG is attempting to accomplish.

We do know, the player base is not shrinking anywhere near the rate K1 is. Players entering GAC is on a very slow decline, I dont have exact numbers but it is somewhere from 400k down to 380k ish. Meanwhile K1 has shrunk from 20k to 1,2k.

So then you’re making a semantic argument? No league is close to the just under 62k that is the target according to cgs stated goal. And no leagues division distribution comes close to the 10/25/30/25/10 goal. Who cares what you label the problem or why the problem actually exists. It is a problem that has steadily gotten worse and not because cg is tinkering each season with the algorithm used. The effect of the algorithm never matched cgs stated goal and they’ve known this for while but presumably haven’t come up with a cost effective fix that doesn’t favor the player base too much.
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"sille;c-2414087" wrote:
Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured

This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others

"CG_Tusken_Meathead;c-2414082" wrote:
I will bring your concerns to the appropriate team

You've said this when previous concerns were brought up. I won't hold my breath.

"sille;c-2414088" wrote:

"sille;c-2414087" wrote:
Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured

This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others

They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.

If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.

"CG_Tusken_Meathead;c-2414082" wrote:
I will bring your concerns to the appropriate team

While it's nice to get a CG-team response in this thread, the implication that the appropriate team isn't already well aware of this is pretty disappointing :(

"StarSon;c-2414221" wrote:

"Winterwolves;c-2414156" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2414112" wrote:

"Winterwolves;c-2414109" wrote:

"sille;c-2414088" wrote:

"sille;c-2414087" wrote:
Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured

This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others

They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.

If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.

That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.

The squish happens to all the signed up players. Not logged in accounts do not sign up.

Inbox things only arrive when you log in, and only if you log in within a set amount of days of the reward being sent. If that player logged in today, they would not receive 365 days of grand arena crystal daily rewards.

Not sure any of this is true. The squish happens sometime later today, but before GAC actually starts. .

Squish happens right before the start of a new season, this is week 2 of the current season so no squish this week.

"TVF;c-2414223" wrote:

"StarSon;c-2414221" wrote:

"Winterwolves;c-2414156" wrote:

"Notthatguyfrombefore;c-2414112" wrote:

"Winterwolves;c-2414109" wrote:

"sille;c-2414088" wrote:

"sille;c-2414087" wrote:
Also a smaller issue with it is people who quit before the change are sitting in kyber one still you only drop if you quit after gac change occured

This is an old guildmate who hasn't played in over a year yet gets to stay in kyber 1 making the squish worse. There have to be others

They aren't actually in kyber 1. Their profile is just showing the last place they were. Only players who join a GAC show up in the numbers.

If you don't join you lose sr at 2 losses per non joined round. So over a year with 3 weeks on 1 week off, that's 39 non joins. Lets call it -60 points per week for 2 losses (should be more while their in the kyber range but drops over time, I think) would have them lose about 2340 SR, which would update next time they log in. So if they started playing again they'll be down in Carbonite. Then another matchmaking thread gets started.

That may be so, but what daily rewards are being sent to them? Are k1 daily rewards landing in their inbox everyday even though they never login? If so accounts like these could easily be affecting the squish calculations.

The squish happens to all the signed up players. Not logged in accounts do not sign up.

Inbox things only arrive when you log in, and only if you log in within a set amount of days of the reward being sent. If that player logged in today, they would not receive 365 days of grand arena crystal daily rewards.

Not sure any of this is true. The squish happens sometime later today, but before GAC actually starts. .

Squish happens right before the start of a new season, this is week 2 of the current season so no squish this week.

Oh okay. I guess I thought it was earlier in the day.

Edit: Also completely forgot that the season started last week :joy:

"TVF;c-2414224" wrote:

"Ragnarok_COTF;c-2414222" wrote:

"CG_Tusken_Meathead;c-2414082" wrote:
I will bring your concerns to the appropriate team

While it's nice to get a CG-team response in this thread, the implication that the appropriate team isn't already well aware of this is pretty disappointing :(

They're aware.

That would also be quite disappointing.