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tiffer72
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5 years ago

Who thinks TW Match Making works well?

I have been observing the matchmaking on TW for the last few months and it just does not add up. Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that process

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  • Pengin83's avatar
    Pengin83
    5 years ago
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    You should probably put some definition around what you mean by “works well.” It’s hard to tell sometimes if it’s a guild not being led well vs underperforming vs poor matchmaking when we win big. My guild usually gets good participation even in losses, so it’s easier to see if we were mismatched or sandbagged in losses.
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    tiffer72
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    5 years ago
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    "DarjeloSalas;c-2143822" wrote:
    @Scuttlebutt is on the money.

    Mismatches happen. I’m not disputing that. But there are definitely guilds out there who are weak at PvP and complain about matchups that they could well win with some decent strategy.


    Made an edit, happy to take the feedback! I just want CG to acknowledge
  • CCyrilS's avatar
    CCyrilS
    5 years ago
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    I appreciate the way you are going about this, and I don't even necessarily think your idea is bad. Your constructive approach is commendable.

    That being said, MM is fine and it's better to adapt to it than to expect it to adapt to you.
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    tiffer72
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    5 years ago
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    Referring to a quote on my other post:
    Anyway, it’s not worth continuing this, because I agree that matchmaking needs changed to match active GP AND number of signed up players +/- 1.

    This is what I want! 34 people join in a 50 strong guild, guild has 100mgp, the 34 has 68m
    they should be matched against 33, 34, 35 that has 68m GP give or take 2%

    This has not happened in our TW with this current guild ever!

    Yes, we are adapting and trying to find new ways for defence and offence, we review counters and to be honest we have got close a few times. But I do disagree with the statement MM is fine. But happy to agree to disagree. I am sure time will tell.

    I thought a Poll might just help me see if it is the minority impacted or not...
  • DaarthBrewer's avatar
    DaarthBrewer
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    5 years ago
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    The last two TW saw us matched with guild that had SIGNIFICANTLY stronger players. Last guild had 4 GL on defense (we have none) The prior war had 2 GL. Needless to say we lost both. I have nothing nice to say about the matching in this game.
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    tiffer72
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    5 years ago
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    GUILD 49 MEMBERS 111m vs GUILD 47 MEMBERS correction they have 130m (3 Mercs left 19m)
    42 Join 36 Join
    avg 2,233,521 avg 2,765,957
    HMMMMMM
    Post edited by Natetiffer at 7:2
  • NyKynoe's avatar
    NyKynoe
    5 years ago
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    "Natetiffer;c-2153302" wrote:


    I know not many have voted but I think the pattern is obvious...


    unfortunately a poll like this doesn't capture enough of the picture to show a pattern.

    all of your questions in the post are great and help paint the picture, but the choices on the poll don't capture that.

    also there is a bias that players who lose are likely to also feel like it was more of a mismatch than if they won.

    in general this topic is complicated/nuanced to really capture it in a poll.
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    tiffer72
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    5 years ago
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    @Kyno
    I know but got to try...

    Latest tw the guild had 163m Vs our 110 and the matching gave 15 spots to fill on defence. So we had 41 join they had maybe 30... We never really stood a chance.

    Something doesn't feel right to me

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Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that process","body@stringLength":"1008","rawBody":"I have been observing the matchmaking on TW for the last few months and it just does not add up. Wins and losses aside, does TW Matchmaking really work?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has >10% more GP than your Guild
Are you regularly matched against a Guild that has significantly more Meta's/GL's than your Guild?
Are you regularly matched against a Guild with lower combatants which means they have a higher average GP per player

Fair to me means the same number of Players (give or take 1) have entered TW in each guild and the GP of the players entered is within 2%
so if 30 players with a combined GP of 100M entered in one guild they should be matched against a guild with 29, 30 or 31 with a combined GP of 98m - 102m

It is true, a mismatch does not necessarily mean you will lose if you are the receiving end but that is not the point here, the point is we want CG to review the match making again and involve the players in that 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My guild usually gets good participation even in losses, so it’s easier to see if we were mismatched or sandbagged in losses.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-07-14T06:20:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-14T06:20:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829547","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"324","rawBody":"You should probably put some definition around what you mean by “works well.” It’s hard to tell sometimes if it’s a guild not being led well vs underperforming vs poor matchmaking when we win big. My guild usually gets good participation even in losses, so it’s easier to see if we were mismatched or sandbagged in losses.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3829547_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829548":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829548","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829548":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829548","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829548,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829548"},"body":"
\"DarjeloSalas;c-2143822\" wrote:
@Scuttlebutt is on the money.

Mismatches happen. I’m not disputing that. But there are definitely guilds out there who are weak at PvP and complain about matchups that they could well win with some decent strategy.


Made an edit, happy to take the feedback! I just want CG to acknowledge
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\"DarjeloSalas;c-2143822\" wrote:
@Scuttlebutt is on the money.

Mismatches happen. I’m not disputing that. But there are definitely guilds out there who are weak at PvP and complain about matchups that they could well win with some decent strategy.


Made an edit, happy to take the feedback! I just want CG to acknowledge
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That being said, MM is fine and it's better to adapt to it than to expect it to adapt to you.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-07-15T01:02:36.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-15T01:02:36.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829549","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"249","rawBody":"I appreciate the way you are going about this, and I don't even necessarily think your idea is bad. Your constructive approach is commendable.

That being said, MM is fine and it's better to adapt to it than to expect it to adapt to you.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3829549_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829550":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829550","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829550":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829550","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829550,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829550"},"body":"Referring to a quote on my other post:
Anyway, it’s not worth continuing this, because I agree that matchmaking needs changed to match active GP AND number of signed up players +/- 1.

This is what I want! 34 people join in a 50 strong guild, guild has 100mgp, the 34 has 68m
they should be matched against 33, 34, 35 that has 68m GP give or take 2%

This has not happened in our TW with this current guild ever!

Yes, we are adapting and trying to find new ways for defence and offence, we review counters and to be honest we have got close a few times. But I do disagree with the statement MM is fine. But happy to agree to disagree. I am sure time will tell.

I thought a Poll might just help me see if it is the minority impacted or not...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-07-15T03:31:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-15T03:31:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829550","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"797","rawBody":"Referring to a quote on my other post:
Anyway, it’s not worth continuing this, because I agree that matchmaking needs changed to match active GP AND number of signed up players +/- 1.

This is what I want! 34 people join in a 50 strong guild, guild has 100mgp, the 34 has 68m
they should be matched against 33, 34, 35 that has 68m GP give or take 2%

This has not happened in our TW with this current guild ever!

Yes, we are adapting and trying to find new ways for defence and offence, we review counters and to be honest we have got close a few times. But I do disagree with the statement MM is fine. But happy to agree to disagree. I am sure time will tell.

I thought a Poll might just help me see if it is the minority impacted or not...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3829550_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:13":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:13","position":23,"name":"Seasoned Ace","color":"000000","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:13716":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:13716","uid":13716,"login":"DaarthBrewer","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2018-07-07T13:08:54.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1721239691000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:13"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:tghpe58374/user:13716"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829551":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829551","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829551":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:13716"},"id":"message:3829551","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829551,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829551"},"body":"The last two TW saw us matched with guild that had SIGNIFICANTLY stronger players. Last guild had 4 GL on defense (we have none) The prior war had 2 GL. Needless to say we lost both. I have nothing nice to say about the matching in this game.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-07-15T08:36:06.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-07-15T08:36:06.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829551","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"246","rawBody":"The last two TW saw us matched with guild that had SIGNIFICANTLY stronger players. Last guild had 4 GL on defense (we have none) The prior war had 2 GL. Needless to say we lost both. 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I know not many have voted but I think the pattern is obvious...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"72","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-08-07T07:27:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-07T07:27:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829553","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"416","rawBody":"

I know not many have voted but I think the pattern is 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\"Natetiffer;c-2153302\" wrote:


I know not many have voted but I think the pattern is obvious...


unfortunately a poll like this doesn't capture enough of the picture to show a pattern.

all of your questions in the post are great and help paint the picture, but the choices on the poll don't capture that.

also there is a bias that players who lose are likely to also feel like it was more of a mismatch than if they won.

in general this topic is complicated/nuanced to really capture it in a poll.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":1,"postTime":"2020-08-07T08:58:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-07T08:58:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829555","repliesCount":0,"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[],"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"926","rawBody":"
\"Natetiffer;c-2153302\" wrote:


I know not many have voted but I think the pattern is obvious...


unfortunately a poll like this doesn't capture enough of the picture to show a pattern.

all of your questions in the post are great and help paint the picture, but the choices on the poll don't capture that.

also there is a bias that players who lose are likely to also feel like it was more of a mismatch than if they won.

in general this topic is complicated/nuanced to really capture it in a poll. ","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[{"__typename":"AssociatedImageEdge","cursor":"MjUuMnwyLjF8b3wyNXxfTlZffDE","node":{"__ref":"AssociatedImage:{\"url\":\"https://forums.ea.com/t5/s/tghpe58374/images/bS0zODI5NTU1LTgyODc4aURDMTYxMUE2MTIwNDBDRjc?revision=1\"}"}}],"totalCount":1,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3829555_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829556":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3829556","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3829556":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66393"},"id":"message:3829556","revisionNum":1,"uid":3829556,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:swgoh-general-discussion-en"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3829546"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3829546"},"subject":"Re: Who thinks TW Match Making works well?","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3829556"},"body":"@Kyno
I know but got to try...

Latest tw the guild had 163m Vs our 110 and the matching gave 15 spots to fill on defence. So we had 41 join they had maybe 30... We never really stood a chance.

Something doesn't feel right to me","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"postTime":"2020-08-09T08:28:29.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2020-08-09T08:28:29.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":0},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:star-wars-galaxy-of-heroes-en/category:star-wars-games-en/category:ea-forums-en/community:tghpe58374board:swgoh-general-discussion-en/message:3829546/message:3829556","repliesCount":0,"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"255","rawBody":"@Kyno
I know but got to try...

Latest tw the guild had 163m Vs our 110 and the matching gave 15 spots to fill on defence. So we had 41 join they had maybe 30... We never really stood a chance.

Something doesn't feel right to me","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3829556_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1742916204000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1742916204000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1742916204000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1742916204000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1742916204000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1742916204000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1742916204000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1742916204000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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