Not just evasion but also tm gain, crit immunity AND stealth? There is no way you guys didn't see this coming. 16 out of the top 20 in my server use zaul lead. You come out with all these zetas and give maul his and then give lumi one like hers? Cmon. (For those who don't know. Go look at hers. It's pathetic.)Now, can I beat them? Yes. I take first all the time. The issue here isn't them being unbeatable. It's being unbearable. It's extremely obnoxious going into a fight and then getting dodged 14 times in a row. It's pure rng once again. Poe droids, OB/Dooku leads and now Zaul.

Someone's salty that the meta's shifting as it always does

If the game is going to have evasion, it needs equally strong accuracy/truestrike options as counter-play. I don't think evasion is a bad mechanic in concept, but it is a bad mechanic without the traditional corresponding counterplay. A penalty for being brought out of stealth early or a character that gains large bonuses when enemies are forcibly brought out of stealth would also be a good niche counter option.

Baze, zaul just gives him tm all the time, and he dispells.Rex, they always crit out of stealth, first aoe is full tm for the teamB2, makes his own tm and will debuff and buff immunityAll of these solutions don't require you to out speed the zaul team at all.

"DatBoi;944790" wrote:Someone's salty that the meta's shifting as it always doesDid you even read the post...?

"medetec;944792" wrote:If the game is going to have evasion, it needs equally strong accuracy/truestrike options as counter-play. I don't think evasion is a bad mechanic in concept, but it is a bad mechanic without the traditional corresponding counterplay. That would be AWESOME. Jka can expose himself, I think it would be great to have a "If the stealthed ally is forceably unstealthed, they also become exposed for 2 turns/get buff immunity/get offense down/something." That'd be awesome.

Why on EARTH did you bring back the evasion meta?

Pantry_B0y
8 years ago
Someone's salty that the meta's shifting as it always does
medetec
8 years ago
If the game is going to have evasion, it needs equally strong accuracy/truestrike options as counter-play. I don't think evasion is a bad mechanic in concept, but it is a bad mechanic without the traditional corresponding counterplay.

A penalty for being brought out of stealth early or a character that gains large bonuses when enemies are forcibly brought out of stealth would also be a good niche counter option.
NyKynoe
8 years ago
Baze, zaul just gives him tm all the time, and he dispells.

Rex, they always crit out of stealth, first aoe is full tm for the team

B2, makes his own tm and will debuff and buff immunity

All of these solutions don't require you to out speed the zaul team at all.
GridanWWL
8 years ago
"DatBoi;944790" wrote:
Someone's salty that the meta's shifting as it always does

Did you even read the post...?
GridanWWL
8 years ago
"medetec;944792" wrote:
If the game is going to have evasion, it needs equally strong accuracy/truestrike options as counter-play. I don't think evasion is a bad mechanic in concept, but it is a bad mechanic without the traditional corresponding counterplay.

That would be AWESOME. Jka can expose himself, I think it would be great to have a "If the stealthed ally is forceably unstealthed, they also become exposed for 2 turns/get buff immunity/get offense down/something." That'd be awesome.
GridanWWL
8 years ago
"Kyno;944796" wrote:
Baze, zaul just gives him tm all the time, and he dispells.

Rex, they always crit out of stealth, first aoe is full tm for the team

B2, makes his own tm and will debuff and buff immunity

All of these solutions don't require you to out speed the zaul team at all.

Sure do :) that's why I use them.
Horish
8 years ago
"Kyno;944796" wrote:
Baze, zaul just gives him tm all the time, and he dispells.

Rex, they always crit out of stealth, first aoe is full tm for the team

B2, makes his own tm and will debuff and buff immunity

All of these solutions don't require you to out speed the zaul team at all.

Doesn't maul's daze negate all that turn meter?
Mullato616
8 years ago
Yeah dodge is pretty lame tbh.
thecoolig88
8 years ago
Because it rewards strategy and brings is all enjoyable gameplay.
/Sarcasm
GridanWWL
8 years ago
"Fear_JarJar;944802" wrote:

Sounds like you want the wiggs/boba/lando aoe bombfest back

I'm sorry to inform you that you're mistaken. I'm sick of INSANELY overpowered toons. There are about.... 5-10 useful zetas. Zody (for raid at least), Zaul, Zader, Zavage, Zylo and a couple others. Then the rest get thrown under the rug. Metas ALWAYS exist. That's not the problem. It's the immense gap between them. The meta will change and this will all go away shortly but it's pathetic how some toons are actually given thought to their zetas and others are given some pathetic excuse for a zeta.