Will The Separatist Rework Be Meta Defying?

"evoluza;c-1768054" wrote:
That new reinforcement ability to call in more B1 will be OP

It's a bit too early to tell, but the main question is whether it is going to mimic the zombie mechanics or is it going to be something different.

The different possibilities that are cming to my mind are:

1) B1 dies permanently only if the leader dies (or GG dies)
2) B1 dies permanently if alone, but no taunt ("zombie like", but attacker)
3) B1 replaces every defeated droid (strong attack, low health pool) and they start to die only when there are no other toons on the battlefield)

Option 3 would be awesome, but not likely (match going on for too long)

I could see the B1 having something similar to what we saw with the IT toons in the most recent TW. B1 will have a counter above its head and will be replaced X amount of times during the battle.

GG gets a new zeta tacked on to his Sinister Laugh that allows him to rez any dead droid. If no droids are dead when he uses it then B1's counter goes up 1.

I feel like if there’s any time for them to go all out on a rework, it’s now. Last year it was Vader and Palpatine, this year it’ll hopefully be grievous and the rest of the droids. I hope at least the are on the same level as bounty hunters or nightsister, where they’re at least partially viable. I just don’t know if they’ll make characters that old and that everyone has the new meta.

"vincentlondon;c-1767564" wrote:
Grievious will be a jedi killer, therefore Grievious squad will counter Revan's squad

General Grievous + New Droids + Separatist Rework = Revan Slayers

That would be super stupid.

General Grievous, a cyborg that got pretty much soloed by a single jedi in canon... As a counter for a best jedi there is?

Reworking the worst-of-the-worst faction ever to be a hard counter for the best jedi team so far, really?

Jedi were an easy prey for ages. This faction was pretty much useless until Bastila became f2p. Now, it's only been like half a year since Jedi started to be competitive. Sure, why not just drop them back into abyss? That's one great way to punish all who whaled to get JKR the first time, and all those who've put an effort to get him the second time.

Actually, if droids were so good then why would good old Palps need Vader to bring Jedi Order down?

If you want a hard counter for Revan, it's Emperor Vitiate. He's kind of a self-made God of Death in Star Wars Universe. And the one who actually defeated Revan. Like, twice.

"Revan_Presence;c-1768210" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-1767564" wrote:
Grievious will be a jedi killer, therefore Grievious squad will counter Revan's squad

General Grievous + New Droids + Separatist Rework = Revan Slayers

That would be super stupid.

General Grievous, a cyborg that got pretty much soloed by a single jedi in canon... As a counter for a best jedi there is?

Reworking the worst-of-the-worst faction ever to be a hard counter for the best jedi team so far, really?

Jedi were an easy prey for ages. This faction was pretty much useless until Bastila became f2p. Now, it's only been like half a year since Jedi started to be competitive. Sure, why not just drop them back into abyss? That's one great way to punish all who whaled to get JKR the first time, and all those who've put an effort to get him the second time.

Actually, if droids were so good then why would good old Palps need Vader to bring Jedi Order down?

If you want a hard counter for Revan, it's Emperor Vitiate. He's kind of a self-made God of Death in Star Wars Universe. And the one who actually defeated Revan. Like, twice.

First of all, Grievous wasn’t a pushover in terms of killing Jedi, and revan wasn’t the best Jedi there was. (That would be yoda, or in legends, GM Luke). Grievous was regarded as the greatest Jedi killer of all time behind Vader. (and grievous isn’t even force sensitive)

Secondly, the Jedi have had their time in the sun, being pretty much unchallenged in every part of the game since revan dropped. Separatists have never had any glory (except B2, and the bugs in fleet) and if they are a counter to Jedi, that doesn’t mean they’ll counter sith, rebels, NS, resistance, BH, and whatever other meta or semi meta teams are out there.

In short, the GG and the seps are worthy of being a counter to Jedi, and although they might be a foil to the dominance of revan in arena, that doesn’t mean they’ll eclipse everyone.

"Mephisto_style;c-1767116" wrote:
The rise of Eeth Koth

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Since General Grievous was definitely the hardest farm in this game, he should be meta!

"Fauztin;c-1767946" wrote:

"Ultra;c-1767118" wrote:
I'm interested in seeing if his kit is limited to Droids synergy or droids + separatist

He'll be like other reworks, almost meta but not quite like every other rework

@ultra

‘Twas not the case when EP/Vader got their reworks.

I think EP/Vader rework were different since CG was pushing for the Sith meta -- 2 weeks later Darth Sion was released that made them meta + Darth Nihilus and Sith Trooper got a rework to buff Traya which in turn made EP more powerful and dominant until people were able to unlock her. Which proves your point, GG rework combined with the two new toons might make them meta dominant. I figured it would be like Bounty Hunters but you've changed my mind with the EP/Vader callback

I think I agree with people who think the droid rework will be a temporary stop gap against the current meta, and I think it will resemble the Nightsisters... they have their moments in Arena, even now, but they require an offensive hand to truly guide them. I think they'll have that same kind of PvE and GA/TW type of viability that Sisters have, and offer everyone a second Sister like option. And I do think they will be made with the intent of being effective specifically against Jedi.

But the monetization is limited to B1 and Droideka, so no, this doesn't have the same signature for meta that the current trend shows. Darth Revan and darkside OR is the next true meta, as it will take disciplined efforts to farm effectively for what is bound to be a Darth Revan or Darth Malek legendary (or both).

That all being said, I can't wait to see a REAL General Grievous at work.

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
First of all, Grievous wasn’t a pushover in terms of killing Jedi, and revan wasn’t the best Jedi there was. (That would be yoda, or in legends, GM Luke). Grievous was regarded as the greatest Jedi killer of all time behind Vader. (and grievous isn’t even force sensitive)

GG was killing Jedi who forgot how to fight after centuries of peace. As of the Old Rpublic era, there were Great Hyperspace War, Great Sith War, Mandalorian Wars, Jedi Civil War. Learn canon and try judging by the enemies, at least. GG was killed by a single jedi, Obi-Wan Kenobi, who almost got smashed by Jango Fett, the single mandalorian. Revan led a war against whole army of Mando'ade and single-handedly defeated their War Leader, Mand'alor the Ultimate. As of Yoda and Luke, they both got defeated by Emperor Palpatine. And Palpatine is nothing if compared to Emperor Vitiate, the one who never needed no fleet, no tool like Death Star, and no army but himself to wipe out every living thing on entire planet.

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
Secondly, the Jedi have had their time in the sun, being pretty much unchallenged in every part of the game since revan dropped. Separatists have never had any glory (except B2, and the bugs in fleet) and if they are a counter to Jedi, that doesn’t mean they’ll counter sith, rebels, NS, resistance, BH, and whatever other meta or semi meta teams are out there.

You are so wrong. The sith ruled over the arena for centuries, which isn't really canon-wise. In canon, no sith reign lasted long after being caught in Jedi iron sights.

"Georgemi6;c-1768279" wrote:
In short, the GG and the seps are worthy of being a counter to Jedi, and although they might be a foil to the dominance of revan in arena, that doesn’t mean they’ll eclipse everyone.

GG should be reworked in order to be competetive against jedi teams. But not to the point where he'll be able to stomp Revan or Bastila lead. That would be such a nonsense. Bastila's battle meditation were strongest in the entire Star Wars history, and Revan was the greatest jedi War Leader. Absolutely no droid should be able to top it.