Zetas Crunch

"KDC99X;c-2451863" wrote:
The fact that you're presuming that says everything.

I'm not a new players (over 3 years now), and while I did buy the LSBs, I was crunched for zetas before that point. In no small part because I'm also fairly competitive, and currently floating between Kyber 2 and 3 with ~8.2M GP and 3 GLs (one of those only because of the LSBs), meaning I'm forced to stretch my roster a lot thinner than many of my constituents, and field more teams than a less competitive player might with a similarly-sized roster, who's further down the ladder. I've always been straightforward about explaining that my perspective is from my experience and contextualizing it as such - I know it doesn't apply to everyone. I'm also not the only one who has raised the issue, and not the only one who is in a similar situation of roster growth and development.

In addition, I noticed you said "my fleet currency stash". Guess what? Players who are not in your shoes don't have a "stash" of fleet currency to burn through zeta backlog or unexpected demand introduced by the introduction of LSBs. The fact that you're able to have that on hand to so quickly knock out THIRTY whole zetas in 4 months is NOT the norm.

Your inability to see outside your own perspective on the issue, and subsequently project that means everyone else should be in the same situation ergo there's no issue to be addressed, indicates there's not much to gain from continuing the conversation.

"Olddumper;c-2451858" wrote:

"KDC99X;c-2451844" wrote:
Yeah, you're right it's a "choice", except it's not really much of a choice at all. The gate for higher level content is not generally zetas, it's character stars and gear/relic level. To fill platoons, unlock GLs, etc. Some zetas could be considered "soft" requirements because they're necessary to get a team to function, but by and large, they're not hard requirements.

That means, for anyone who wants to progress and unlock advanced content in this game, it's not much of a choice. You have to farm new characters, you have to gear them up. Period. So that also means a certain portion of your resources have to be dedicated to those pursuits.

In addition, the math you referenced assumes that you're able to acquire every possible PvE source of zetas (minus the raid zetas, thankfully, I hope no one wastes raid mk3 on zetas). Obviously, early to mid game players don't have all the ABs and such unlocked, so the true number for those who are not at the top is lower than what was presented, plus we also need to dedicate more resources to chasing new releases while working up critical older teams.

Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand or you so insistent there's isn't an issue for some people, but you're clearly an end game player who doesn't have the issue. Good for you! Hope the air is nice up there. But it's a bit stifling down where many of us are at.

"Olddumper;c-2451726" wrote:

"KDC99X;c-2451688" wrote:
I mean, my kneejerk reaction to this is that "easily" is quite an overstatement. Let's explore.

For instance: I'm in Kyber 2 and take 1st every day in fleet arena, so my daily crystal payout is 640. But I spend anywhere from 450-600+ crystals a day in farming, between signal data, characters, conquest, so really I'm only gaining on average 5700 crystals per month from this (assuming 450 spent, 30 days), or less. Of course this doesn't include crystals from wins/losses, and weekly/season payouts, but still, the vast majority of players are earning way, way less than this.

So let's take last seasons, I went 5-4, placing first range in week 1, last in week 2, and in the 2-4 range in week 3. I fluctuated between K2 and K3 but let's use K2 numbers for simplicity:

5 wins = 4125 crystals
4 losses = 800 cyrstals
Weekly round rewards = 1350 crystals
Season payout = 2050 crystals

For a sum of another 8325 crystals per month, and a grand total of approximately 14,025 crystals over my base daily farming spend.

I also have to spend those crystals on other things, like R8/9 mats, because my guild isn't large enough to earn them in TW yet.

Yeah, I could choose to buy those daily deals instead, but it would mean sacrificing a LOT of other things, for packs that often ARE NOT a very good deal at all.

Again, not to forget that most players aren't anywhere near these crystal income numbers.

I think that's not a very good source of zetas except for maybe very end game players who already have everything else and just have crystals to burn, so I reject this premise. And if you are one of those players, you're probably not that in need of zetas in the first place, as has already been laid out in this thread.

"Olddumper;c-2451674" wrote:
I think the biggest point against this is they also frequently put zeta in your daily deals Jawa packs. I’ve seen 7 mats in the 3200 pack quite a bit. You could easily grind another 20 mats out of there each month if you made it a priority.

If you are spending your crystals elsewhere though that’s a choice. You are considering other items more crunched than the zeta and accelerating those instead. The zeta mats in the daily deals get as cheap as 450 crystals per mat and you get more goodies on top of it. At 450 per to get the 20 a month I mentioned is 300 crystals a day. That’s totally doable and gets you 12 extra. 12 is quite a few. That’s basically a whole GL and everybody else in their squad. Not to mention we already established you will get about 15 more zeta each year than the zetas on all the new toons so now you can burn through the back log at nearly 30 per year. It’s hard to call that a crunch.

I’m actually “crunched” on zetas right now since I bought both LS bundles and that was about 18 zetas that I needed for those squads. At the same time I was prepped for Leia so that was another 9 zetas. I still have 3 to complete plus I need to do maul. But just because I’m out doesn’t mean the economy is crunched. In those 4 months I have worked through 24 of those 30 zetas needed, digging into my fleet currency stash. Now I’m down to needing 6 and will have that wrapped up before the year end. After these next 6 though I’ll be back to far out pacing the amount of zetas needed.

I think most complaining about the zeta crunch are either completely new players that don’t understand swgoh has very long timelines or those who bought LS bundles and aren’t being honest that the main reason they are out is from the bundles. You do get to a point though where you couldn’t imagine running out of zetas. I figured I was there until the LS bundles hit.

Kind of funny you said I was presuming and then my presumption was correct. If you put every zeta you put on a LS bundle toon back in your pocket how many more would you have right now? How many in your back log are super critical? Likes GLs or Conquest toons like CAT or Maul. People bought the bundles and it had thrown them at pace. These Zeta threads all came immediately after the bundles.