zKylo vs zSavage

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So multiple allies will be debuffed when zSO takes his turn.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994508" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So all 4 of zSO Sith allies will be debuffed and he'd only have a 25% chance to cleanse trooper.

That's a good point. I haven't faced DN that have unique zeta yet... didn't seem like a high priority on my shard for most people lol. I'm actually sitting on 20 zeta mats and considering giving them to DN.

"NicolBolas;994510" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994508" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So all 4 of zSO Sith allies will be debuffed and he'd only have a 25% chance to cleanse trooper.

That's a good point. I haven't faced DN that have unique zeta yet... didn't seem like a high priority on my shard for most people lol. I'm actually sitting on 20 zeta mats and considering giving them to DN.

Sith Assassin will actually cleanse herself when she uses DS ability - so she won't have the debuff on her after that - but when she pushes up all Sith it's quite possible that zSO moves before the enemy EP / DN do anyway so Trooper won't even be shocked / dispelled yet for zSO to cleanse him on his first move.

So let's say I zeta kylo and run zaul lead Vader ep kylo and boba. Nihilus is a scanner away from g10 so he'll be arena viable soon,if I swap dn in who should get dropped. Vader maybe?

"ZalandasG;102520" wrote:
I almost have my second zeta running zaul lead in arena with ep Vader boba and kylo,on the fence between these two. Both are at 7* g10 but I might put nihilus in once geared up. Thoughts?

You should have just asked in the Guild Z, lol. Savage under a Zaul lead is brutal - if I was not all-in on Kylo I would have made this move.

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994523" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994510" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994508" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So all 4 of zSO Sith allies will be debuffed and he'd only have a 25% chance to cleanse trooper.

That's a good point. I haven't faced DN that have unique zeta yet... didn't seem like a high priority on my shard for most people lol. I'm actually sitting on 20 zeta mats and considering giving them to DN.

Sith Assassin will actually cleanse herself when she uses DS ability - so she won't have the debuff on her after that - but when she pushes up all Sith it's quite possible that zSO moves before the enemy EP / DN do anyway so Trooper won't even be shocked / dispelled yet for zSO to cleanse him on his first move.

True, maybe next turn he can haha.

OP, it is redundant to run EP, Boba, and DN as all 3 of them act to delay the opponent for a turn. Landing a stun, ability block, and cooldown increase on one toon will still only delay that toon for a turn. I would get rid of Boba in this case.

I did last week lj but it didn't exactly spark a massive discussion lol

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994523" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994510" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994508" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So all 4 of zSO Sith allies will be debuffed and he'd only have a 25% chance to cleanse trooper.

That's a good point. I haven't faced DN that have unique zeta yet... didn't seem like a high priority on my shard for most people lol. I'm actually sitting on 20 zeta mats and considering giving them to DN.

Sith Assassin will actually cleanse herself when she uses DS ability - so she won't have the debuff on her after that - but when she pushes up all Sith it's quite possible that zSO moves before the enemy EP / DN do anyway so Trooper won't even be shocked / dispelled yet for zSO to cleanse him on his first move.

I've ran SiT for about a month now and he's been a great addition, better than GK by far under zaul or any other tank. On offense over half the time every toon has protection still, only lost twice due to perfect zaul team RNG (fast EP stun/Zaul daze x 5). I'm the only one with SiT and the only one who rarely stays in the top 10 overnight without attacking to hold.

Rex teams avoid me now. The Rex payout guy after me on our shard chat says he has to have really good RNG to beat SiT.

DN, his unique zeta is rare. I'm the only one on my shard's top 20 that has it. DN dispel isn't an issue, He regains taunt easily since it's passive.

EP Shock and B2 Buff immunity are the real issues, without either of those two you have to burn SiT down which takes a long, long, long time. Or you can be a real pain and pair him w a fast GK.

"sneeekypants;994554" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994523" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994510" wrote:

"JohnnySteelAlpha;994508" wrote:

"NicolBolas;994500" wrote:
Wouldn't forcing the enemy EP to use shock on trooper be the best case scenario? That way Savage only has one target he can pull debuffs from as opposed to EP stunning everyone?

Not if the enemy DN has his unique zeta because every Sith turn each of your allies get a health down debuff on them to start off with. So all 4 of zSO Sith allies will be debuffed and he'd only have a 25% chance to cleanse trooper.

That's a good point. I haven't faced DN that have unique zeta yet... didn't seem like a high priority on my shard for most people lol. I'm actually sitting on 20 zeta mats and considering giving them to DN.

Sith Assassin will actually cleanse herself when she uses DS ability - so she won't have the debuff on her after that - but when she pushes up all Sith it's quite possible that zSO moves before the enemy EP / DN do anyway so Trooper won't even be shocked / dispelled yet for zSO to cleanse him on his first move.

I've ran SiT for about a month now and he's been a great addition, better than GK by far under zaul or any other tank. On offense over half the time every toon has protection still, only lost twice due to perfect zaul team RNG (fast EP stun/Zaul daze x 5). I'm the only one with SiT and the only one who rarely stays in the top 10 overnight without attacking to hold.

Rex teams avoid me now. The Rex payout guy after me on our shard chat says he has to have really good RNG to beat SiT.

DN, his unique zeta is rare. I'm the only one on my shard's top 20 that has it. DN dispel isn't an issue, He regains taunt easily since it's passive.

EP Shock and B2 Buff immunity are the real issues, without either of those two you have to burn SiT down which takes a long, long, long time. Or you can be a real pain and pair him w a fast GK.

Seems to me you may be a bit ahead of your shard generally - most of the zDM squads I face on my leaderboard in the top 10 have the DN unique zeta'd....and yes vs. EP that's what I'm specifically saying that he's vulnerable to. Other setups he can do his job of taunting better. If there's no EP, he's fine. I'd be curious what Rex team you're referring to because I see 3x cleanser versions with DN tucked away moving all zDM squads at a high rate daily - essentially the #1 comp on SWGG - Rex leader, GK, Chaze and DN. Maybe you also have a big mod advantage over your leaderboard?

We have 2 guys running their SiT consistently in the top 10 and the squads stick pretty well, but that's with a DN leader and also with a fast GK (and a zeta on DN unique and a zeta on Savage). I don't find him very effective on O or on D without another taunter, and specifically GK. He gets shut down too easy vs. the other EP / DN. I'd love to be wrong - I mentioned I have him G11 - but in just about every comp I try him in and against, I find zKylo to just be much better. That stun / heavy hit is hard to replace.

I do OK with Zaul(L), Sass, Zavage, Zihilus, SiT.