Hi folks,What you need : - 24 Power Mods, with Speed/Power on secondaries. - Boba, Greedo, Bossk, IG88, Vador. What you do : - Make Boba leads- Give the BHs all the power modsWhat happens : - Vador starts, debuff the opposite team.- All the BH instantly gets 75 speed.- Opposite team gets -25% speed.- Bossk gets to taunt before the opposite team takes a turn. - Boba gets to AE lock first.- Greedo can dispell the tank. - Vador can greatly damage the contrat target which can be finished off by the next BH to play. - Contract fullfilled means your Bossk is now practically impossible to shot down (90k HP/ 80K protec that regenerate both 50% per BH turn) ***EDIT: The game has a translation mistakes in my language / Bossk remains very tanky Regenerating 50% HP when he taunts though. Potential counters/problems : - Zolo can shut down Vador before the start- Another faster Vador can disrupt your play- Thrawn lead will be hard to beatStrong points : - Your team has a lot of HP (60-90k)- Your entire team gets really fast- The contract is much easier to fullfil and makes Bossk a beastFinal thoughts : From my point of view this makes the BH team quite viable, perhaps not meta but that can beat a lot of other teams with the right setup. Obviously this team is not without flaws and it's possible that I am wrong since I don't have a good BH team yet (Have them all G9-11) to test out. I am open to suggestions or feel free to tell me if I am mistaken somewhere. Thanks for reading, this is mostly food for thoughts.

Too bad h/p only regen 2.5% per bounty hunter turn and 5% on bossks turn..

"Teweedo;c-1543021" wrote:"Syrup_Chugger3;c-1543011" wrote:Too bad h/p only regen 2.5% per bounty hunter turn and 5% on bossks turn..Wow they poorly worded that skill in my language. It literally reads Bossk regenerate 50% HP/Protection when another BH takes a turn. I had to check it in English and you are right. Still Bossk is quite tanky with 90k HP and regenerating 50% of it when he taunts. Not as amazing as I first thought however.Yes the 50% heal when he taunts is nice, but that is a HUGE discrepancy, in translation error!

His payout actually heals pretty well in practice. 15% a round after all BH go. Under his own lead I think he will be harder to kill than KRU as he dispels debuffs on himself in addition to healing on enemy debuff\resist.Even at 3* he allowed me to complete the Rebel and Rolo event where my team could not come close before. At g8 3* he has 35k EHP and 180 speed. Edit: And actually its Health AND Protection so its 30% EHP per round.

"Shaunyvee;c-1543535" wrote:I've found him to rarely be taunting though.Experience limited to the contract event, could be due to the death trooper dispelMy low geared Bossk sits at 195 speed with poor mods, with Boba lead it goes at 270 speed when all enemies are debuffed, on top of that Frenzy will give him tons of extra turns for taunting and using his ability. It's a lot of opportunities to maintain taunts especially since he cleanse himself when doing so. I am not doing arenas with BH yet but on others modes it's pretty good so far.

Vader will not have uber speed (to insure moving early) if he is the only sith/empire toon.MY assessment of BH in arena is that they might work on offense. But unless the AI prioritizes the contract actions, the AI will not complete the contract till the fight is basically over. (I.E. any fight where the AI completes the contract, it would have won without the contract). Boba's leadership zeta is pretty good, if you have all bounty hunters with full potency.

A viable BH team in Arena ? Perhaps even more than viable.

teweedoswg
7 years ago
"Platzman;c-1544327" wrote:
Enemy sion + Nihillus means that if you debuff the first, nihillus gains tm and increases your cd. And current meta is full of this duo. Traya also makes an appearance moe and more.
NS, JTR will outspeed you.
Zolo can shut you down.
IMO "viable"has a different meaning. BH are about as viable as murderbears - sure they can win some teams on offense, but not all.

You make some good points. By Viable I mean they can be used fairly properly and wins the right match ups but they may not beat the meta indeed.

How would NS outspeed this though? The BH team only seem to struggle against teams that gains TM when debuffed as far as I can tell.

I can't speak about Traya though there isn't any in my shard.
teweedoswg
7 years ago
"XKurareX;c-1544317" wrote:
Your Vader has no extra speed - enemy Vader will be faster and all your lineup is gone. Thrawn will fracture your Bossk and thats the end.

By itself IG88 harmonizes well with Mother Talzin - pretty decent combination actually.
+KRU (162 speed - vader got 121+4*8+emperor 8 = 161) - outrun him and stun
+Phasma (151 speed with kru, just need to outrun now oppsite Vader) -> your team will be now first
+Nihilus
+IG88
+Mother

Dot up, IG88 blocks heal, nihilus increases cooldowns

After that its about finishing them

Yes that is something I acknowledged in my opening post, another Vador will outrun him though I was mistaken only sith/empire allies count, not enemies thanks for correcting me. Vador will only gain 16 speed from himself if anything and will be mostly efficient against jedi/rebels.

That really put a strikes to my thinking.

Good point about Talzin. I'd like to see Probe/Talzin/IG88 in the same team.

Well at this point this is no longer a BH team, I'm going to have to find a better way to make them work.

Someone mentionned Zolo which I can see working fairly well but then a Zolo in any team garanties the starting round except against others Zolo anyway, I'd like to see some alternatives to it.
teweedoswg
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1544402" wrote:

This is your biggest issue with that team. you wont go first often enough in the current "meta".

One big thing that drives the meta is how well it does on defense and this team will get rocked on defense by almost half of the teams "out there" (according to swgoh.gg)

Thanks for that chart!

Ironically my current team does extremely well against the meta especially because the Zalp/Vador teams IA reacts so bad.

But yeah we need a way to apply an AOE debuff first for the BHs to beat consistently the meta.

Not sure if I can find something else right now.
Imrahil6
7 years ago
"Dryff;c-1544813" wrote:
Zam Wesell is extremely fast, and you could probably get up to about 270 speed with good speed mods (up to 285 with GREAT mods) which should outspeed most Vaders. She has two abilities that give AoE debuffs.

However, this increases speed, not turn meter. So even if you are able to land the DoTs it's likely that Vader goes next, lands his DoTs, throws the saber, then the entire enemy team goes (even with your improved speed). This is all assuming you don't have an enemy Sion that allows Nihilus to go as well as someone else mentioned...

You may actually be better off running GK in the fifth slot and just trying to tank your way through the fight until Boba can land some nasty Executes.

270 does not outspeed most vaders. Far from it.

Zam is 163 speed base, so 270 is +107 from mods.

Vader is 121 base, +56 in the standard team (8x7), putting him at 177. Adding the same 107 to Vader puts him at 284. So basically you need to have mods that are 15 speed faster than your opponent, which is pretty difficult to pull off. Most Vaders on my shard are in the mid to high 290's.
teweedoswg
7 years ago
"Vice_torn;c-1545177" wrote:
What it comes down to is a definition of arena viable. Can BH win on offense, yes.... SO yes you can use them in arena.

For me, for a team to be arena viable he needs to hold on defense, if you drop from 5 to 50 overnight its not great. Which for me means it is not an easy win when put on defense for 50% of the player base. Boba lead BH (with or without vader) are easy pickings for ZVader or NS squads. OR even EP lead squads (there vader with easily outspeed you). Given that many players have those sqauds as an option, I do not seem BH holding on defense.

I have not come across any BH teams in my arena. I know one still active player had a zBF lead BH team a year ago, he has not dusted it off yet.

Bounty Hunters are still a solid team for DS TB, and TW offense...

Sometimes I wonder how much real defense teams have vs people just avoiding a team because it could be annoying.

That said, does anyone knows if BH in TW defense keeps their contract buff from a match to another?
Poxx70
7 years ago
"XKurareX;c-1544338" wrote:
@Huatimus
If thats the case - the in-game description of Vader's unique is incorrect. Written as each empire or sith ally gives a tempo boost. Which certainly is not you by your own. Need to send a bug report if you are 100% sure about this.

If it didn't count himself, the word "other" would have been used. On a full empire team led by EP, Vader gets +8 x 5 for 5 Empire, including himself. He also gets +8 × 2 for 2 Sith allies, himself and EP, for a total of +56 b4 checking for enemy rebels/jedi. WAI.
X-Kurare-X
7 years ago
"Poxx;c-1545511" wrote:
"XKurareX;c-1544338" wrote:
@Huatimus
If thats the case - the in-game description of Vader's unique is incorrect. Written as each empire or sith ally gives a tempo boost. Which certainly is not you by your own. Need to send a bug report if you are 100% sure about this.

If it didn't count himself, the word "other" would have been used. On a full empire team led by EP, Vader gets +8 x 5 for 5 Empire, including himself. He also gets +8 × 2 for 2 Sith allies, himself and EP, for a total of +56 b4 checking for enemy rebels/jedi. WAI.

Thats my point - please reread the in-game description:

At the start of each encounter Darth Vader gains 8 Speed until the end of that encounter for each of the following: Empire ally, Sith ally, Jedi enemy, Rebel enemy. Darth Vader is immune to Turn Meter Reduction and recovers 5% Health when a Damage Over Time effect on an enemy expires.

ally
NOUN

1A state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose.
‘debate continued among NATO allies’
More example sentences

1.1 A person or organization that cooperates with or helps another in a particular activity.
‘he was forced to dismiss his closest political ally’

Ally means others - not yourself. You cannot be your own ally. That would be like counting yourself inside how many friends you got...

Text should be maybe something like this (English is not my main language and i learned others before):
At the start of each encounter Darth Vader gains 8 Speed until the end of that encounter for each of the following: Empire character, Sith character, Jedi enemy, Rebel enemy. Darth Vader is immune to Turn Meter Reduction and recovers 5% Health when a Damage Over Time effect on an enemy expires.
tvsfrink
7 years ago
You're talking dictionary definitions. This game uses its own definitions, so it's not really worth the time pointing to something the game doesn't care about. And maybe it shouldn't do that, but since it does, just accept it and move on.
449710430e37db5
7 years ago
"XKurareX;c-1545964" wrote:
"Poxx;c-1545511" wrote:
"XKurareX;c-1544338" wrote:
@Huatimus
If thats the case - the in-game description of Vader's unique is incorrect. Written as each empire or sith ally gives a tempo boost. Which certainly is not you by your own. Need to send a bug report if you are 100% sure about this.

If it didn't count himself, the word "other" would have been used. On a full empire team led by EP, Vader gets +8 x 5 for 5 Empire, including himself. He also gets +8 × 2 for 2 Sith allies, himself and EP, for a total of +56 b4 checking for enemy rebels/jedi. WAI.

Thats my point - please reread the in-game description:

At the start of each encounter Darth Vader gains 8 Speed until the end of that encounter for each of the following: Empire ally, Sith ally, Jedi enemy, Rebel enemy. Darth Vader is immune to Turn Meter Reduction and recovers 5% Health when a Damage Over Time effect on an enemy expires.

ally
NOUN

1A state formally cooperating with another for a military or other purpose.
‘debate continued among NATO allies’
More example sentences

1.1 A person or organization that cooperates with or helps another in a particular activity.
‘he was forced to dismiss his closest political ally’

Ally means others - not yourself. You cannot be your own ally. That would be like counting yourself inside how many friends you got...

Text should be maybe something like this (English is not my main language and i learned others before):
At the start of each encounter Darth Vader gains 8 Speed until the end of that encounter for each of the following: Empire character, Sith character, Jedi enemy, Rebel enemy. Darth Vader is immune to Turn Meter Reduction and recovers 5% Health when a Damage Over Time effect on an enemy expires.

That’s why I already explained to you earlier. These are XKurareX allies, not Darth Vader’s allies. Is Darth Vader your ally? Yups. Is Darth Vader Empire? Yups, +8 Speed. Is Darth Vader Sith? Yups, +8 Speed.
Believe it or not, but the language so far is consistent and in line with the English language.
X-Kurare-X
7 years ago
Its description of Darth Vader not of any player. I am sorry to tell it - but this description is simply bad. And translated to other languages i read its just plain rubbish. Some languages are very exact and have a huge amount of words to exactly phrase what you want to tell - it makes no sense in those languages at all. Maybe you are used to it with English to such vague sentences - however me and many others are not. Kindly consider all translations are made from the English version.

I saw quite a few people here also didn't knew about the exact calculation. This alone shows that many do not understand the description "correctly". I always try to believe, that everyone is clever - so I simply think the description should improve.

My 2cp

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