Alternative Ships 2.0 fleet

I run mace, but with a different starting lineup. Biggs, vader, bistan. Bistan goes before opponent vader when maxed. Spread the TL. If you have multiple TL, bring in 5s for his AOE. If you need healing or have the number advantage, bring in plo koon, and use his inspiring charge. Game over. I have a 90%+ win rate on a day one shard. 90% thrawn, a couple tarkin. Usually only drop 10-15 spots max. Finish top 5 every day. Have boba and sarge as the other 2 on the bench. Between bistan and vader being able to hit TFP without dodge, usually not an issue. If he has TL on tfp, sarge can usually OHKO him as well.

"Woodroward;c-1577552" wrote:
To be Fair, I honestly think the best lineup all around will be: , Geo, Poe, LMF, Ahsoka/Fives/Resistance Pilot (not sure of that last spot I'm certain of the other 6 though) simply because the starting 3 deal massive damage while all being very fast and everyone you can call in will lay a severe beat down. Not sure what the best Cap Ship for it would be though.

Probably Home One. The opening AoE would be devastating with those starting ships. On offense you'd probably just cycle through AoE, reinforce, basic. Defense would be a little annoying because it would use Ackbar's cleanse+heal when a basic would be better, but at least that gives advantage. Home One has real good speed, too.

The bonus protection from assists doesn't hurt, either--I know you're all about the offense with this build, but it's better than a poke in the eye with a stick.

My only concern would be that if your opponent knows what you're doing, the easy counter is Executrix with a beefy starting lineup of tanks to absorb those attacks like late night pancakes after a pubcrawl. Just stay alive long enough for Tarkin's ult and the match is over. But, then again, that would require your opponent to know what they're doing instead of just trying the same old thing over and over again even though it doesn't work any more, and we know what this game's community is like, so congratulations on your free wins!

Has anyone tried Akbar + resistance Xwing reinforce with Falcon and Poe and Vader in starting lineup? 60% chance to assist each attack by other resistance and expose on basic...

"VonZant;c-1577815" wrote:
Has anyone tried Akbar + resistance Xwing reinforce with Falcon and Poe and Vader in starting lineup? 60% chance to assist each attack by other resistance and expose on basic...

I did, and it half works. There are three basic problems:
1) Poe is just TOO GOOD as a reinforcement. The bonus damage that Dramatic Entrance gives is too important.
2) Falcon is still pretty meh, to be honest. Its damage seems really low, considering how high its Physical Damage stat is. I want to test it out more once we have the pve board.
3) No taunt :( you’re too vulnerable if you can’t hide behind someone.

BUT! Hey! Here’s good news! Once a ship that can taunt with this build comes out you’re most of the way there. Maybe one more Resistance ship, too, so you can put Poe in Reserve where he really shines. So, as I said, this half-works, and hopefully once the pve board comes out there’ll be new ships and shops attached to it that will make it fully-work.

"Roopehun;c-1577908" wrote:

"Ipb1977;c-1577906" wrote:
Best way I have found is silencer, tfp and fotfp. Use silencer to stun vader then finish him off with the others. Bring on vader as reinforcement use his special to stop dodge on tfp. Then finish them off. Can win most battles within 1 min that way. Took me a while to figure out but works for me.

The meta is vader tfp biggs.

For now. These ships were already meta before so it's easy to just plug them right in. Time will tell if they actually stick.

"Roopehun;c-1578034" wrote:

"TVF;c-1577935" wrote:

"Roopehun;c-1577908" wrote:

"Ipb1977;c-1577906" wrote:
Best way I have found is silencer, tfp and fotfp. Use silencer to stun vader then finish him off with the others. Bring on vader as reinforcement use his special to stop dodge on tfp. Then finish them off. Can win most battles within 1 min that way. Took me a while to figure out but works for me.

The meta is vader tfp biggs.

For now. These ships were already meta before so it's easy to just plug them right in. Time will tell if they actually stick.

Its not a matter of time, but if theres any fleet compositions that can reliable beat the biggs vader tfp lineup (assuming same conditions). No such teams were found in the past month, so the meta is decided for now.
The meta might change in the future, but that will be made possible only if CG alters the ship abilities/stats/launches new ones.

I'm not sure if you can assume the meta is always efficient and always represents the optimal line up at any given time. There are other factors at play, don't you think? One factor I can see is the current meta in Ships 2.0 possibly originated from the meta in Ships 1.0. Most people already made the massive investment in DV, ITF, Biggs, so why not continue to roll with them? A second possible factor for an inefficient meta is the amount of investment to switch out ships. You have to max a pilot with zetas, you have to max stars on both toons & ships, you have to max abilities on ships, and finally you have to max reinforcement ability. It takes 1 1/2 to 2 weeks to get the final lvl 8 on omegas for ships, so switching takes time. The meta in ships 2.0, in my opinion, hasn't been widely discovered, although a few adventurous gamers letting their creative minds take over have begun to see success with alternative fleets.

"Roopehun;c-1578034" wrote:

"TVF;c-1577935" wrote:

"Roopehun;c-1577908" wrote:

"Ipb1977;c-1577906" wrote:
Best way I have found is silencer, tfp and fotfp. Use silencer to stun vader then finish him off with the others. Bring on vader as reinforcement use his special to stop dodge on tfp. Then finish them off. Can win most battles within 1 min that way. Took me a while to figure out but works for me.

The meta is vader tfp biggs.

For now. These ships were already meta before so it's easy to just plug them right in. Time will tell if they actually stick.

Its not a matter of time, but if theres any fleet compositions that can reliable beat the biggs vader tfp lineup (assuming same conditions). No such teams were found in the past month, so the meta is decided for now.
The meta might change in the future, but that will be made possible only if CG alters the ship abilities/stats/launches new ones.

So sure you are.

So I tried the Resistance Pilot thing we were talking about earlier. My guild has basically already won this Territory Battle, so I had nothing to lose by testing it out.

I used Endurance as my capital ship, then started with Plo Koon, Scimitar, and Milennium Falcon. I wasn't up against a tippy-tip-top-tier fleet, to be fair, but it was a nicely-developed team of Biggs, Wedge, Vader and Executrix at lead.

My Plo was the fastest ship, so I was able to put his taunt on Falcon, which then spread target lock to everyone and allowed Endurance to hit all of them with its AoE. Executrix ability blocked Scimitar, so I wasn't able to put Retribution on Falcon, unfortunately. Worse yet, the Falcon was ability blocked basically the rest of the match (Executrix's AoE, then Vader's dispel, then Boba Fett's reinforce) so I was never able to get Thrust Reversal or its AoE off. But, on the plus side, it soaked up A TON of damage and debuffs, and whenever it attacked the Resistance Pilot would chip in.

I like it. I don't think it would work in Arena right now because my Plo Koon is still just g9, and I think I took his mods off a long time ago (but that's easy enough to fix, a day or two of farming at most--you don't need to give him GOOD mods, just 5-dots in all slots). But it's something worth building up in the future.

FWIW, I put heavy attackers in my reserves, but only needed Resistance Pilot. The Retribution on Mace's ult gave me an inordinant amount of counterattacks. I don't think you can really rely on that all the time, but it's good luck when it does.

"TVF;c-1578521" wrote:

"Jedi_of_Oz;c-1578401" wrote:
I'm finding that using the three meta ships of Biggs, Vader and TF but with Executrix in place of Chimaera is better on offence. It's less RNG dependent and provides more opportunities for recovery if you're dealt a **** RNG hand early.

But you need to max Tarkin's Victory at All Costs ability for it to work.

I agreed with you until the last part. I rarely get to use it (usually because I've already won, occasionally because I've already lost).

Victory at All Costs is an ability that boosts your ships’ TM each time by 20% any ship is defeated when it’s maxed. Its a passive ability, and not something you get to use per se - like a special.

Coupled with th fact that even a moderately levelled Executrix should outspeed even a fully levelled Chimaera, VAC really helps you consolidate early gains in the battle.

Perhaps you're thinking of Imperial Victory.

"NicWester;c-1578847" wrote:

"Creepioo;c-1578574" wrote:
Was thinking about gearing plo and clone sarge, i like their reinforcement ablities but then thinking not sure they'll do enough dmg, atleast plo is relatively fast. May have to start working on Poe and Boba but of the 3 ships i didnt unlock those 2 are among them.

Clone Sgt does a decent amount of damage considering he's a tank that was designed to just survive forever. If you go over to swgoh you can look at an expected range of damages on each ship's attacks (the front page only shows basic attack damage, but if you go into each ship's entry you can find their specials--but not all neatly lined up to be compared against other ships', unfortunately.) and the big surprise for me was that, by and large, each ship does roughly the same damage.

Fragile attackers do more (the damage for Asohka's basic seems to assume Offense Up), tough defenders do less, but everything seems to be mostly in the 19k-25k range, with a few outliers on either side. ARC is on the low-end of the normal range (about 19k) for offense, but definitely on the high end of the range for survivability when complete.

Plo Koon is just a wonderful space boy all around.

I don't know about that. I was running a full republic fleet when this all switched over. I tried running the 6 republic ships in every combination possible and couldn't break top 20. As soon as I took Plo and Sergeant out of my lineup I was able to get back into the top 10.

That's a big part of why I say there's no room in arena for defense or gimmicks anymore. It's not that it isn't good. It's that it isn't worth it sacrifice offense for them, that's just begging to lose, and neither one of these 2 does anywhere near enough damage from my experience to justify their other meager contributions. Healing is pointless. Need to kill the other guy before his ultimate goes off, not drag it out until it does.