Asajj used to seem not-terrible (December->Feb?), but she's horrible now for whatever reason - can she get some buffs or something? Problems: She's the slowest character ever. She's squishy.Despite being a Sith Assassin, her damage is very underwhelming. Her stun is too low proc chance to be reliable or build mods around, better to just remove it and buff her damage. Her AOE dispel is her best feature, but the heal is too strong (basically a full heal if they have lots of buffs up) - better to reduce power here and buff her many weaknesses. She doesn't have any real stat synergies (crit chance / damage / potency / speed, etc) - which all the OP characters (Leia, Rey, etc) have specific stat synergies they can abuse. This goes to the broader problem of Nightsisters in general being underwhelming, they don't even have a mod challenge despite being the second faction to have five members in-game. Asajj is arguably the best character in Clone Wars, she doesn't deserve this treatment :)

What I would propose, assuming all abilities are maxed out: Cruel Strike - Deals physical damage to target enemy, with a 100% chance to attack again. - She dual wields, double attack reflects her offhand swing, gives her good synergy with things like PhasmaStrike Fear - Dispels all positive status effects from all enemies. For each effect dispelled this way, Asajj gains 7% health (no longer 40% baseline +7% per), and reduces her targets turn meter by 10% per effect dispelled (ex. 10 buffs removed = 100% turn meter reduction from her targeted enemy).- It's called Strike Fear, but it's a self-heal, which isn't really scary - but losing your buffs and losing a turn is kind of scary?Endless Wrath - Deal Special Damage to all enemies, resets her cooldowns on a finishing blow. (Unchanged) - Endless wrath + Rampage is the keystone of her design, and probably deserves to be maintainedNightsister Swiftness - Increases Nightsister speed by 26, and whenever a Nightsister deals damage they have an 18% chance to call another Nightsister to attack, for 15% reduced damage. - So this is a variant on Phasma's Leader ability, to create a little more variety in the game. Unlike Phasma's version it doesn't proc off, or call for, non-Nightsisters (greatly limiting weird comps, and/or encouraging Nightsister teams). This turns the Nightsisters into a specialty high-synergy team, comparable to Droid teams. Rampage - Whenever an enemy is defeated (no longer procs off ally deaths!), Asajj gains Offense Up and 50% turn meter. - The critical chance up was a little bizarre, for someone with no crit synergy - more (consistent!) turn meter would feel way more like she's on a murderous rampage though! It would also help her Endless Wrath chains to feel a little more Endless... (rather than the one-time-thing they are currently, because she's dead before her next turn)Summary: Her Cruel Strike works well in Phasma comps due to its consistent double attack (which is less than the chance of Rey/Leia triple attacks still, but it's something in that vein of synergy). Cruel Strike works especcially well when combined with Asajj's new Nightsister Swiftness Leader ability - which is an alternate version of Phasma's leader ability; but unique/limited to Nightsisters. Cruel Strike no longer stuns, but now it does more damage overall (since it attacks twice). Strike Fear is a much less potent heal than it currently is (dispelling 5 buffs would be only a 35% heal, rather than the 75% heal it currently is) - but the TMR gives her a more unique ability to turn the flow of a fight on its head (dispelling buffs, self-healing a bit, and then denying someone half a turn, all at once). Endless Wrath + Rampage synergy deals less burst damage (no Crit Chance up), and procs less often (doesn't proc on allied deaths anymore), but if you ignore Asajj and her team gets a kill, she quickly becomes a massive threat due to her 50% TM gains off each chain kill (and Offense up).Nighsister Swiftness creates a new high-synergy specialty comp out of the Nightsisters, in which they can proc a lot of bonus assists - and becomes especcially potent once enemies start falling: due to Asajj's Rampage now granting consistent turn meter gains, and her Rampage / Cruel Strike granting frequent high chances of calling for assists (leading to more kills, leading to more Rampage). In the meta, Asajj is still relatively slow, and the Nightsisters are still collectively pretty frail - so it makes sense to target Asajj early and try to burn her down before they can land a kill and set Asajj up to begin her Rampage. Asajj isn't limited only to Nightsister teams though, her basic Rampage+Wrath combos, and her new Cruel Strike's double attack effect means she can work well as an alternate to Rey/Leia on a Phasma team (and, canonically, makes a lot more sense than stick-girl and non-combatant-sister/love interest being the most dangerous people in the universe). Edit: Another thought - Ahsoka and Savage should both count as Nightsister and/or, Asajj should count as Sith?

I think there's two problems with her. One of which is she's way too slow, which is inconsistent with her portrayal in the Clone Wars. She's is capable of dealing a lot of damage and has a cool skillset but she almost never moves during the course of a match. The other problem is that she has a strong health steal, which makes her aoe dispel redundant. I think that giving her something like "gains 30% turn meter everytime she dispels" as well as giving her a dispel on her basic would greatly help her out. Also, I'm curious why you think Ahsoka should count as Nightsister? Other than in one of the last episodes of the Clone Wars when Assaj helps her out I don't really see the connection. Why the devs gave Ahsoka Nightsister synergy in her leader ability is something that baffles me..

@Yvaelle Ability-wise, that's probably one of the best hero reworks I've seen thrown around. Only question then would be her stats and damage modifiers, but since she gets TM gains, her speed could probably stay on the slower side. As for synergies, Asajj should really be Nightsister, Sith, AND Scoundrel, since she was at various points all 3 of those things for a good number of episodes.

I think she should be considered a Sith, right now she is only Support and Nightsister. I hope they add more sith, make her part sith and part nightsister and they should create mod challenges for sith and nightsisters.

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SkillOverKill
9 years ago
"DarthBlartMC;588998" wrote:
She has the best name in Star Wars, better than Savage Opress, even.

Mon Mothma is pretty great :)
ExtoBear
9 years ago
I vote Sithy McSithface.
Khazaad
9 years ago
OP speaks with better wurds than I can. I love Asajj conceptually but she's worthless for everything listed above.
Raz-Noom
9 years ago
Guys....

You can mod Ventress out. You can speed her up. I mean I have a 5* health mod that gives +30 speed. Her base speed is 86. So with a +30 speed that takes her to a speed of 116 with 1 mod. There are still 5 other slots to fill.

Filling her up with ONLY health mods, you can give her huge boosts in protection, health, attack, speed, potency, even critical avoidance.

Jesus guys, even the Jedi Guardian can be extremely viable with mods. But Ventress and her ability to remove all positive status effects as well as stunning on her basic can make her 1st rate.
SkillOverKill
9 years ago
"Speaker4thedead;596525" wrote:
Guys....

You can mod Ventress out. You can speed her up. I mean I have a 5* health mod that gives +30 speed. Her base speed is 86. So with a +30 speed that takes her to a speed of 116 with 1 mod. There are still 5 other slots to fill.

Filling her up with ONLY health mods, you can give her huge boosts in protection, health, attack, speed, potency, even critical avoidance.

Asajj has actually been weakened by the introduction of mods, not empowered. First off, mods apply to everyone - so while you're tricking out a speed-build Asajj up to a whopping 116 speed, my Qui Gon Jin has a speed build approaching 275, due to mods.

Secondly, as I mentioned, Asajj has zero synergy with any specific stat - speed, crit chance, crit damage, offense, potency, etc. So mods have weakened her specifically, because as example - Sidious loves Crit Chance, because it increases the likelihood of him applying 4 DoTs per target, stacking Crit Chance on Sidious doesn't just increase the number of crits he does, it increases the number of DoTs he applies: this is called a stat synergy.

Crit Chance = More Crits = More DoTs

Yoda and Rey both have Speed Synergies, this is because their basic attacks grant Deflection, so Speed doesn't just give them more turns = more damage, it also gives them more turns = more Deflection/Survivability.

Speed = More Turns = More Deflections

Asajj has nothing of the sort. Speed = more turns = more damage for her. Crit chance = more crits for her. Crit damage = bigger crits. All of her relationships are X = Y, but never X = Y = Z: no real stat synergies. So while Leia and Rey are gaining massive stat synergies out of mods, part of why they're fucking ridiculous now, Asajj is only scaling relative to the direct stats she is gaining: while everyone else is multiplying gains through synergies.

So in short no, mods don't fucking help Asajj - they made her worse.

Jesus guys, even the Jedi Guardian can be extremely viable with mods. But Ventress and her ability to remove all positive status effects as well as stunning on her basic can make her 1st rate.

Guardian has innate survivability synergies with both hp and speed mods, due to her passive.

Ventress' stun is low proc chance, low potency, and unpredictable - it can't be relied on the way other stuns can (RG's 80% chance, an assortment of 100% chance abilities, or Daka's 60%+45% chances, which is a more than 100% chance that someone will be stunned, just not necessarily the one you wanted). By comparison, a 35% chance is entirely unreliable, and Asajj lacks the speed to abuse this by stunlocking anyone (Stuns have a synergy with Speed for this reason).

Her AOE debuff is the only thing she has going for her - I said that - and I proposed nerfing it slightly (the heal, anyways) to buff her kit in other ways. Just because she has one good thing, doesn't mean she's balanced: and nothing in this world short of a redesign will ever make Asajj (in her current state) 1st rate, sorry.

And I say that as someone who loves the character, but hates her portrayal in GoH - I just want her to not-suck: because the moment she's remotely viable I can go back to using her: even if she's not top-tier. The problem is right now she isn't even close... she's bottom-tier.
vector6000
9 years ago
She is a bad character.
Good damage but....

- Only basic attack is good. AOE attack is crap.
- Slow as hell.
- Pretty average to low HP and protection.
- Dispel is good but when you have characters like Yoda, Rey, Anakin, etc...Who self buff every turn, that dispel is useless.
Salorael
9 years ago
"EventineElessedil;588735" wrote:
I really like Asajj. She is a staple for me in GW. She is slow, but that's by design so she can debuff the enemy after they've powered-up, or so she can AOE for the kill. I think you would be pleased with her if you get her up to max gear and put omegas on her abilities. I haven't done this yet, but am looking forward to it.

I have my Asajj Fully modded, max level 80 GL 10, all abilities omegaed.

Health: 15700
Protection: 19666
Speed: 123 (w/o leader ability)
151 (w/leader ability)
Power: 8075
Salorael
9 years ago
"Yvaelle;601008" wrote:
"Speaker4thedead;596525" wrote:
Guys....

You can mod Ventress out. You can speed her up. I mean I have a 5* health mod that gives +30 speed. Her base speed is 86. So with a +30 speed that takes her to a speed of 116 with 1 mod. There are still 5 other slots to fill.

Filling her up with ONLY health mods, you can give her huge boosts in protection, health, attack, speed, potency, even critical avoidance.

Asajj has actually been weakened by the introduction of mods, not empowered. First off, mods apply to everyone - so while you're tricking out a speed-build Asajj up to a whopping 116 speed, my Qui Gon Jin has a speed build approaching 275, due to mods.

Secondly, as I mentioned, Asajj has zero synergy with any specific stat - speed, crit chance, crit damage, offense, potency, etc. So mods have weakened her specifically, because as example - Sidious loves Crit Chance, because it increases the likelihood of him applying 4 DoTs per target, stacking Crit Chance on Sidious doesn't just increase the number of crits he does, it increases the number of DoTs he applies: this is called a stat synergy.

Crit Chance = More Crits = More DoTs

Yoda and Rey both have Speed Synergies, this is because their basic attacks grant Deflection, so Speed doesn't just give them more turns = more damage, it also gives them more turns = more Deflection/Survivability.

Speed = More Turns = More Deflections

Asajj has nothing of the sort. Speed = more turns = more damage for her. Crit chance = more crits for her. Crit damage = bigger crits. All of her relationships are X = Y, but never X = Y = Z: no real stat synergies. So while Leia and Rey are gaining massive stat synergies out of mods, part of why they're **** ridiculous now, Asajj is only scaling relative to the direct stats she is gaining: while everyone else is multiplying gains through synergies.

So in short no, mods don't **** help Asajj - they made her worse.

Jesus guys, even the Jedi Guardian can be extremely viable with mods. But Ventress and her ability to remove all positive status effects as well as stunning on her basic can make her 1st rate.

Guardian has innate survivability synergies with both hp and speed mods, due to her passive.

Ventress' stun is low proc chance, low potency, and unpredictable - it can't be relied on the way other stuns can (RG's 80% chance, an assortment of 100% chance abilities, or Daka's 60%+45% chances, which is a more than 100% chance that someone will be stunned, just not necessarily the one you wanted). By comparison, a 35% chance is entirely unreliable, and Asajj lacks the speed to abuse this by stunlocking anyone (Stuns have a synergy with Speed for this reason).

Her AOE debuff is the only thing she has going for her - I said that - and I proposed nerfing it slightly (the heal, anyways) to buff her kit in other ways. Just because she has one good thing, doesn't mean she's balanced: and nothing in this world short of a redesign will ever make Asajj (in her current state) 1st rate, sorry.

And I say that as someone who loves the character, but hates her portrayal in GoH - I just want her to not-suck: because the moment she's remotely viable I can go back to using her: even if she's not top-tier. The problem is right now she isn't even close... she's bottom-tier.

You do not play NS that's obvious, my NS squad is run with gl 11 st han, all of my others are NS and all but daka are GL 10, I rip Rey teams up like she was nothing. Once my Daka is gl 10 my squad will be at 40k overall and it is already tough for people to beat. Asajj just needs more speed, a fix to the AI, and fix her heal and she'll be even better.

Saying that mod's made her worse is like saying deflating the balls for the patriots made tom brady worse.
6the6bull6
9 years ago
@christopher152003 which nightsister did you leave out in place of STH? I am guessing NA. I am a long time ventress/daka user and I have all the nightsisters very near maxed out and fairly well modded. I have never run a full ns squad in pvp though. Also I am curious where you rank in your shard.

I find most people that bash ventress obviously haven't taken the time to learn how to use her properly. IMO she is one of the best utility toons in the game. Her AI is terrible but to be fair all dispellers have terrible AI, just ask QGJ who endless tries to dispell foresight.
Salorael
9 years ago
"6The6Bull6;605983" wrote:
@christopher152003 which nightsister did you leave out in place of STH? I am guessing NA. I am a long time ventress/daka user and I have all the nightsisters very near maxed out and fairly well modded. I have never run a full ns squad in pvp though. Also I am curious where you rank in your shard.

I find most people that bash ventress obviously haven't taken the time to learn how to use her properly. IMO she is one of the best utility toons in the game. Her AI is terrible but to be fair all dispellers have terrible AI, just ask QGJ who endless tries to dispell foresight.

Yes, NA is gone. if I try I can make top 75, I usually only do 3 fights a day in arena just for the rewards. So I usually sit in the top 150.

My entire NS arena squad is maxed out with 4 or 5 star mods all maxed level as well. The only weak link is my daka, she is still at GL8 once i get her past that barrier though she shouldn't be too hard to get to gl10.

I am working on potency mods for daka.