Best/Worst Phoenix members?

"TVF;c-1415107" wrote:

"DavidSPumpkins;c-1415105" wrote:

"TVF;c-1413064" wrote:
I'm intrigued by the idea of running Chopper with JTR/Rey/R2/BB8.

It's my default, but with GK replacing Scav Rey.

I'll definitely give that a try in 10 weeks when my guild all unlocks him. ;)

Scav Rey is what I want to use, and it works fine on offense. It's less effective on defense because it's easy to bypass Chopper as a solo tank and Scav can't take a punch. It's still a perfectly usable squad, and perhaps your results on your shard will be better than mine. Enjoy.

/end digression

I have never understood the Chopper vs Sabine argument. I always figured the real question is Sabine vs Ezra, which I figure Ezra owns this. It's the question of which attacker. I know that Ezra doesn't get the attacker option on Watch and Learn if you omit Sabine, but Chopper is so good. The fastest taunter in the game, he's actually a support, provides massive survivability, reduces cooldowns, dispels, stuns on droids, assists all day, and if used with Ezra's W&L gives turn meter. I just can't imagine not using him. Although not using Phoenix, he was part of my squad that 3*d the light side 9 battles. I actually could question if using Sabine over Zeb might be the best option overall.

I don't see Sabine being utilized outside of Phoenix, but in a pure Phoenix squad, I would go w/ her over Chopper.

Current meta...RJT, BB8, R2 +2. Supports Chopper as 1 of the 2 quite well. Also, Grievous is due a rework and I'd much rather have Chopper ready instead of Sabine.

Overall tho, u will want all 6 for ships so...

"Poxx;c-1415389" wrote:
I don't see Sabine being utilized outside of Phoenix, but in a pure Phoenix squad, I would go w/ her over Chopper.

I run her under CLS in TBs, since it's counters the enemy *almost* always is at 0% TM, and she debuffs for TM gain.

I have been looking at Phoenix as a possible end game squad with zetas and geared to gear 12. Am planning to leave out Sabine....

Looking over the uniques it becomes a very beefy squad when you assume g12 level protection. Has anyone tried to max them out?

There's one full G12 Phoenix team in my arena range, not sure about zetas. But they're an easy kill for my Wiggs R2 Han CLS team. Might be good on offense though.

I personally prefer Sabine over Chopper, but i farmed her before she was removed from the shop, her boost to crit chance and crit dmg, especially together with ezra offense boost make phoenix hit pretty hard. Was considering dropping zeta on her as it makes demolish to do brutal dmg, but i dont use them outside of TW and TB anymore. But yeah any new people should focus on chopper at least from start, because he is so much easier and faster farm.

Ranked without Zetas:
Hera - Just needed. No choice, here.
Kanan - The tank. Gives the counters to everyone so, again, no choice.
Zeb - Survivability on passive is insane and his array of debuffs is vital.
Ezra - The best damage-dealer, plus some good utility.
Chopper - Dispel is useful, tanky passive is helpful, not much use outside of that. A 1-turn taunt doesn't do much good unless you're filling the gap between Kanan taunts.
Sabine - Does good damage in relatively uncommon circumstances, AOE is good, but not amazing, armour shred will rarely stack high enough to be useful.

Ranked with Zetas:
Hera - Still no choice. Zeta is also pretty damn good, so a nice bump to an already good character.
Kanan - Zeta just moves him up from 'the only decent tank in Phoenix' to 'a fantastic tank, especially in Phoenix'.
Sabine - Almost as much damage as Ezra, even more debuffs than Zeb. Suddenly, very good.
Zeb - Still great for debuffs, but now his stick is counted as a WMD.
Ezra - Still the best for damage, but that's pretty much all he does. Zeta doesn't try to change that.
Chopper - Has no Zeta. Too bad, fella.

Zetas ranked:
Kanan - Adds a team-cleanse, gives them more survivability, and seriously nullifies his speed issues. One of the best Zetas around.
Sabine - Staggers and Exposes for everyone! Plus, gives Phoenix allies buffs, reduces cooldowns, and adds more damage. Fixes many of her issues and makes her almost irreplaceable.
Hera - More potency, cleanses, gives TM, and reduces cooldowns. If Hera's fast enough you can have Kanan perma-taunt with this Zeta. Which is, you know, brilliant.
Zeb - As I mentioned, his stick becomes a weapon of mass destruction. Reduces the CD, can't be evaded, gains him TM for Phoenix allies, (if the target has no debuffs) deals 75% more damage plus 20% health damage, (if the enemy has buffs) ignore armour, (if the target has debuffs) deals 50% more crit damage.
To sum it up, if you tap on an enemy and then tap on this ability, you will ruin their entire existence and, possible, tear a hole in the fabric of reality.
Ezra - plus 50% damage, 25% more TM gain, defence up. EHhhhh. It's.... okay. Makes him hurt more, but.... ehhh...

"SpadeFreeman;c-1416048" wrote:
Ranked without Zetas:
Hera - Just needed. No choice, here.
Kanan - The tank. Gives the counters to everyone so, again, no choice.
Zeb - Survivability on passive is insane and his array of debuffs is vital.
Ezra - The best damage-dealer, plus some good utility.
Chopper - Dispel is useful, tanky passive is helpful, not much use outside of that. A 1-turn taunt doesn't do much good unless you're filling the gap between Kanan taunts.
Sabine - Does good damage in relatively uncommon circumstances, AOE is good, but not amazing, armour shred will rarely stack high enough to be useful.

Ranked with Zetas:
Hera - Still no choice. Zeta is also pretty damn good, so a nice bump to an already good character.
Kanan - Zeta just moves him up from 'the only decent tank in Phoenix' to 'a fantastic tank, especially in Phoenix'.
Sabine - Almost as much damage as Ezra, even more debuffs than Zeb. Suddenly, very good.
Zeb - Still great for debuffs, but now his stick is counted as a WMD.
Ezra - Still the best for damage, but that's pretty much all he does. Zeta doesn't try to change that.
Chopper - Has no Zeta. Too bad, fella.

Zetas ranked:
Kanan - Adds a team-cleanse, gives them more survivability, and seriously nullifies his speed issues. One of the best Zetas around.
Sabine - Staggers and Exposes for everyone! Plus, gives Phoenix allies buffs, reduces cooldowns, and adds more damage. Fixes many of her issues and makes her almost irreplaceable.
Hera - More potency, cleanses, gives TM, and reduces cooldowns. If Hera's fast enough you can have Kanan perma-taunt with this Zeta. Which is, you know, brilliant.
Zeb - As I mentioned, his stick becomes a weapon of mass destruction. Reduces the CD, can't be evaded, gains him TM for Phoenix allies, (if the target has no debuffs) deals 75% more damage plus 20% health damage, (if the enemy has buffs) ignore armour, (if the target has debuffs) deals 50% more crit damage.
To sum it up, if you tap on an enemy and then tap on this ability, you will ruin their entire existence and, possible, tear a hole in the fabric of reality.
Ezra - plus 50% damage, 25% more TM gain, defence up. EHhhhh. It's.... okay. Makes him hurt more, but.... ehhh...

A very, very good assessment.

Personally, I like Hera's over Sabine's just because if you have Hera & Kanan zeta's it's pretty much impossible to lose a match while you're controlling them. Sabine's is better for D, since AI won't use Kanan's zeta unless there is a debuff.

Chopper's unique gives 15% protection up when your hit, and let's you heal 15% health every turn. Seems like he adds a lot if your toons are g12