Change my mind

"Keoni;c-1872023" wrote:
Yeah the insults is all great, fine and expected. I understand mods very well and that’s not the issue. It’s not that I can’t win . Point is I was matching up the same but making sure they were stronger characters (yes to include mods). I figured by saying how far ahead in points on average of the other teams everyone would understand that I also had as good or better mods on those characters as well.

0f course I’ve been noticing the AI seeming to always have the quite the advantage from the beginning. Five tries for a test isn’t very many but its pretty hard and takes a lot of time to come across an opponent with the exact same characters and also have five characters that are better than his, and/or be able to switch mods up so they are. It’s only five tries but I think I see a trend and what I’m saying is I’m shocked at how overwhelmingly I was beat. My AI with stronger characters versus the game/opponents AI.

Did you factor in turn order? Makes a big difference with certain team comps. Basically decided DR matches at this point, along with a little bit of RNG.

Dooku, Palp, Maul, Sidious, Trooper - you don't have a dispel there so if they have a faster trooper with high tenacity that resist shock and you have a slow trooper with low tenacity that gets shocked, it's very easy to see how that matchup goes sideways given that the AI will largely be executing the same actions in the same order.

There are so many complicated interactions between teams and actions within a team, that making a blanket statement like "arena is fixed because my AI controlled team doesn't beat their AI controlled team" is basically meaningless. There was one opponent in a JKR mirror I could always beat on auto, and one I could never beat on auto in the old JKR mirror. Why? Because...turn order. AI is running all three teams the same way, turn order and speeds matched up in my favor against one opponent and against me in the other.

It's all in the mods....and yes letting AI control works so well....just ask skynet

I am too much of a noob to speak meaningfully about the encounters being fixed. I am hopeful the new match algorithm does a better job than the old one. My Arena Rating bounces around about 2500. My last match I was pitted against 400. Care to guess how that went? What has impressed me is how squirrelly things often go. Ex:. People join, and set defenses, then never attack. Ex: I go 3 rounds. 1 short win. 1 draw, rated a win for me, based on GP, and 1 CRUSHING loss. End result, I come in 2nd overall. WTH? This has to be a based on a mixed matrix involving more than just the 4 players I can see.

"Ryanwhales;c-1864973" wrote:
Unless you are really lazy, dont use ai for arena.

Get revan, youll see why.

Lol Jedi revan mirror matches. I'll hit auto and win or time out. If I fought the exact team manually...I may lose. :D

Nothing to work out here.
On games like this the enemy AI will have have boosted crit and accuracy.
It's nothing new and has been the way games with pvp work to cancel out the advantage you have by you not using AI to battle.
The developers never admit this but then on most games people dont even realise so tbh the devs dont get asked much.

"Frodobongins;c-1864988" wrote:
? How is this the **** post? He's not saying I always run on auto and why do I lose? He's testing an exact match squad that is more powerful, and running it on auto to take out the variable of individual skill and strategy. His point being that technically, the mirror match with the ai supposedly on par both ways should result in more wins than losses for his squad statistically due to the significant power boost his holds.. Everyone knows there is rng obviously, so if he had said I should have won every time, then give him crap. But he's saying he is 0-5 when statistically, he should be able to win more than half the time. People who answer by trolling aren't being helpful. Just save your negativity and kindly direct in inwards. Having said all this, to OP, although I often feel that way as well, quite simply, you cannot come to any conclusions with such a small sample size. I know.... I wouldn't want to hear it either. But the truth is that you would need a SIGNIFICANT number of runs to actually be able to point to that as a conclusion. I mean from an actual "proof" with data standpoint to say it factually. I am not refuting your point at all, but let me play devils advocate if you really want to be convinced. Rng... Enough said. But even if you match the squads exactly, you would have to basically have the exact same gear mods, or stronger by a decent margin, as they are literally make or break. Yes your score is higher, but honestly, I think gp is just a brutal formula that really doesn't line up anything in terms of strength. I've had way underpowered squads absolutely destroy much stronger ones, and vice versa. Mostly based on synergy or the fact they have a buff or mechanism that messes with the others. Lets say that you are certain that everyone of your mods is superior..... Well you could have higher stats, but the other squad could have a specific stat boost that is ideal, or triggers some kind of ability, synergy etc.... That would render that higher stat a non issue in terms of outcome. Etc etc.

It is clear he forgot to take into account speed.

Also, change your team. Everyone else said basically everything, but change your leader to Palpatine. He is far superior.

"TirionSandoval;c-1865005" wrote:
I am too much of a noob to speak meaningfully about the encounters being fixed. I am hopeful the new match algorithm does a better job than the old one. My Arena Rating bounces around about 2500. My last match I was pitted against 400. Care to guess how that went? What has impressed me is how squirrelly things often go. Ex:. People join, and set defenses, then never attack. Ex: I go 3 rounds. 1 short win. 1 draw, rated a win for me, based on GP, and 1 CRUSHING loss. End result, I come in 2nd overall. WTH? This has to be a based on a mixed matrix involving more than just the 4 players I can see.

There are 8 players in your group and rewards are based on how many rounds you win. That’s it. If you go 2-1 you get the rewards for the 2nd-4th bracket. Whether the game calls you 2nd or 4th (which is just another tie broken by GP) is irrelevant because the rewards are identical.

Yeah the insults is all great, fine and expected. I understand mods very well and that’s not the issue. It’s not that I can’t win . Point is I was matching up the same but making sure they were stronger characters (yes to include mods). I figured by saying how far ahead in points on average of the other teams everyone would understand that I also had as good or better mods on those characters as well.

0f course I’ve been noticing the AI seeming to always have the quite the advantage from the beginning. Five tries for a test isn’t very many but its pretty hard and takes a lot of time to come across an opponent with the exact same characters and also have five characters that are better than his, and/or be able to switch mods up so they are. It’s only five tries but I think I see a trend and what I’m saying is I’m shocked at how overwhelmingly I was beat. My AI with stronger characters versus the game/opponents AI.

"Nihion;c-1864931" wrote:
Lol when you believe that the offense AI is trained to beat the defense AI

IKR. I've been wanting to make a thread that requests during autoplay for Ewok Elder to get a text bubble that pops up reading, "Why my staff no work?" when he tries to revive someone that can't be revived. It's probably the dumbest part of AI.