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So it looks like if old ben has taunt and is fractured he will be taunting while fractured.
This contradicts fracture because fracture means you cant gain buffs
I don't disagree but since dispel happens first before fracture with the way things currently work he could have taunt with fracture.
Every see b2 dispel stealth from sith with maul lead and put up buff immunity?
the sith gains buff immunity and advantage at the same time. This is same situation
dispel buff(s)
opponet responds to the dispelled buff(s)
debuff that prevents gaining buffs is applied
damage is done
To prevent the uproar and thousands of bug or is this WAI posts they just need to change Thrawn ability to apply fracture first then dispel.
I figured this was the case but why wouldn't Savage or Biggs have buffs while Fractured? Why wouldnt a factured sith under Zaul have stealth occasionally?
They already said the gif was a bad example to use. I dont think hell be taunting during fracture. I'm guessing what happened was taunt-fractur (which dispels taunt)- Thrawns tm fills up since hes alone-fracture goes away triggering second taunt
I know, I saw what Kozi said, was just getting more info from Scuba. But watch the gif closely, Ben has BOTH taunt and Fracture at the same time. Forget everything else. I use Thrawn all the time and I have never seen a toon with a buff and Fracture at the same time.
I think its just happeneing to fast since thrawns alone. Just my opinion though. I dont think taunt will be there in a full team. Well see though.
Its not happening too fast. Do you use Thrawn? If you do, you will notice no buffs exist along side Fracture. Period. The taunt persists during Fracture and then stays once Fracture expires. You can see Thrawns TM in the upper right corner. Anyway, none of this matters.
Its either a bug they didn't catch and will fix it before deploying another gif or its WAI.
I do in fact but when have you ever run thrawn alone. Its a combination of thrawn being alone and a toon that gains a buff as fraxture expires which is why it looks weird.
lol, go play a solo match in any area with Thrawn vs Savage, or Thrawn vs Biggs, or Thrawn vs Zaul. I am willing to bet NONE of them gain a buff during Fracture. Slow the video down and watch. I bet you never see a buff. If I paused this gif, you would clearly see both Fracture and Taunt. This would not happen with any of the previous toons I mentioned.
You are definitely correct. The issue here I think is the order of events. Let's compare the Thrawn vs Savage and Thrawn vs Old Ben. The key here - you are assuming that Thrawn's ability can be interrupted mid-attack.
"Deal Special damage to target enemy 4 times, dispel all buffs on them, remove 50% Turn Meter, and inflict Fracture until the start of Thrawn's next turn"
If you break this down in order:
1) Deal special damage 4 times
2) Dispel all buffs
3) remove 50% TM
4) Inflict Fracture
With Savage:
1) Deal special damage 4 times - Savage will gain a number of buffs
2) Dispel all buffs - all buffs are gone from Savage
3) Remove 50% TM - Savage loses TM (this isnt damage being dealt)
4) Fracture - Savage has fracture
This is why Savage doesn't have a buff when fracture is used.
With the new Old Ben
1) Deal special damage 4 times - nothing
2) Dispel all buffs - Taunt is removed from Ben, but Ben now regains it based on the conditions of his special
3) remove 50% TM - Ben loses 50% TM
4) Inflict Fracture
Ben has taunt for 1 turn (instead of 2) and fracture at the same time.
So characters like Savage and Biggs gain buffs as a result of DAMAGE, which is the first thing that seems to happen based on the wording of the ability. the dispel happens after, so the buffs are gone. Old Ben actually gets the Taunt back as a RESULT of the dispel, so this happens before the fracture applies.
I can't say if this was the intended action, but that is what is happening and why it is different from Savage and Biggs. Just have to wait to see what Kozi says, but since could be intended as a counter to Thrawn's Fracture, and then it would be WAI based on the order of events as described in Thrawn's ability.
You do realize that the order written in the ability is not the order things happen in game?
The order of operations for fracture are
Dispel
Fracture
deal damage 4 times.
https://swgoh.gg/characters/grand-admiral-thrawn/ability/fracture
So
*Dispels taunt
*fracture prevents second taunt
When fracture goes away it allows the second taunt to appear. This would fit with both descriptions. I think its a visual bug that wouldn't happen in thrawn was not alone. Maybe I'm wrong though.
LOL NO...The taunt would still be there with Fracture up in this case. Because the second taunt doesn't get dispelled and is on Ben before the Fracture applies.
I dont know whats so complicated about this...
You obviously don't get what I'm saying. I may be wrong but you might be too.
I 100% get what you are saying and I can tell you, with 100% confidence, you are incorrect.
If the Fracture prevented the second taunt, it would NEVER appear. Buffs don't magically appear on someone after buff immunity wears off.
Are you just making up a whole new game with your own rules? Seems like it...
Its also NOT a visual bug...I repeat, NOT a visual bug...
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