Could you PLEASE look at your AI's use of "potency" in arena? Every time I go up against an EP lead, that EP stuns 4 or 5 of my team and when my mass shock is done, I mostly stun 1 or 2. My potency can be twice that of the AI's EP and still get outdone by mass shock almost every time. If I get 4 or 5 I'm shocked myself (no pun intended) because it happens so rarely. I can understand if the other EP has 90-100% potency. Got it. But when I'm facing teams where the enemy EP (whether Gear 10, 11, 12) has 30 or 40% potency and stuns 5 out of 5, that is broken RNG. It shouldn't happen nearly as much as it does.I even look at potency rates and tenacity rates. Hell I saw a CLS once with base potency stun 3 or 4 times against my team with 40ish% tenacity each. (I know, tenacity is BROKEN and they haven't fixed it yet.) Just very irritating to take a team that SHOULD be landing shocks, stuns, ability blocks, etc., and doesn't against a team that SHOULDN'T be landing shocks, stuns, ability blocks, etc., but does at a higher rate. The AI is favoring itself in RNG and it is tiresome. (Yes, that includes the fleet AI that does more than abuse RNG for itself.)If there's some other specific info that deals with that, I'd be happy to hear about it.

Sometimes I get zero stuns. Sometimes I get 5. RNG.

They have never admitted it, but we all know the AI is bolstered to make up for lack of a human player, instead of making the AI smarter. AI will crit above its average, resist above its average, evade above its average etc. Nature of the beast. WAI

"Whatelse73;c-1561334" wrote:"Poxx;c-1561183" wrote:Palpatine in a lead slot has 85% potency b4 any mods so unless u have toons w/ over 85% tenacity...again, b4 mods, u have a 15% chance to resist.Right, but again, if I have MORE potency from mods and base before that 85% hits, then I should be stunning 4-5 more often than I am. Especially since the AI's EP stuns 4-5 as often as I stun 1-2. It just tells me that the AI favors itself in RNG, way too much and that shouldn't be the case. I want to face another team and beat that TEAM. Not beat a suped up cheating AI.At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon. Your brain pays more attention to when rng is against you.In your example of CLS, he gets 40% potency from his unique, so that would completely override 40% tenacity just there.

Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potency

"Vendi1983;c-1561743" wrote:"Goodgil;c-1561438" wrote:Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potencySo, for example:My Palpatine, as leader, is 120% potency. If he faces CLS with a 40% tenacity, there's a negative 80% chance to resist so they just default to a positive 15% resist chance? That's bull. Why bother with increasing potency?That's because some people zeta CLS who will receive 100% extra Tenacity. But yes, by default most EP have more than enough Potency already and don't need to mod for it. I don't even understand why people bother. It's as though they believe that Potency will help increase that 70%.

EP mass shock "potency" problem in RNG

DVZR
7 years ago
Sometimes I get zero stuns. Sometimes I get 5. RNG.
Poxx70
7 years ago
They have never admitted it, but we all know the AI is bolstered to make up for lack of a human player, instead of making the AI smarter. AI will crit above its average, resist above its average, evade above its average etc. Nature of the beast. WAI
crzydroid
Retired Hero
7 years ago
"Whatelse73;c-1561334" wrote:
"Poxx;c-1561183" wrote:
Palpatine in a lead slot has 85% potency b4 any mods so unless u have toons w/ over 85% tenacity...again, b4 mods, u have a 15% chance to resist.

Right, but again, if I have MORE potency from mods and base before that 85% hits, then I should be stunning 4-5 more often than I am. Especially since the AI's EP stuns 4-5 as often as I stun 1-2. It just tells me that the AI favors itself in RNG, way too much and that shouldn't be the case.

I want to face another team and beat that TEAM. Not beat a suped up cheating AI.

At a certain point, it doesn't matter who has more potency. Once you hit the base 15% chance to resist, that's that. EP has a 70% chance to stun, so 0.70*.085 = 59.5% chance to stun any given toon. Your brain pays more attention to when rng is against you.

In your example of CLS, he gets 40% potency from his unique, so that would completely override 40% tenacity just there.
goodgil282
7 years ago
Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.

EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.

If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potency
449710430e37db5
7 years ago
"Vendi1983;c-1561743" wrote:
"Goodgil;c-1561438" wrote:
Here's how it actually works. Ignore anything else people tell you, it's just wrong.

EP has a 70% chance to inflict stun when using his aoe. That means that 30% of the time, you won't even go to the potency/tenacity check, but it just won't happen.

If it does apply, you go to the check. The way it's calculated is chance to resist, minimum 15%. That is, if tenacity-potency > 15%, than that's the chance to resist. If tenacity-potency

So, for example:

My Palpatine, as leader, is 120% potency. If he faces CLS with a 40% tenacity, there's a negative 80% chance to resist so they just default to a positive 15% resist chance? That's bull. Why bother with increasing potency?

That's because some people zeta CLS who will receive 100% extra Tenacity. But yes, by default most EP have more than enough Potency already and don't need to mod for it. I don't even understand why people bother. It's as though they believe that Potency will help increase that 70%.
emvedebe
7 years ago
"Kanega101;c-1565922" wrote:
This is really a sobering fact that cannot be explained with maths/statistics. I average about two shocks with my 76% (basic potency) EP (opponent has no significant heightened tenacity), and the A.I. enemy (around 40% potency) regularly scores an average of four on me. I really have no problem losing in a good fight, but this feels so much like cheating that it takes the fun out of it.

how can the AI regularly score an average though? It's either average of 4 stuns, or regularly 4 stuns. The former being rather strange, the latter easily explained.
Da_Bauers
New Spectator
7 years ago
"Phoenixeon;c-1568114" wrote:
Sometimes I think this thread is about...I mean, dont bother with it. Ppl comes here and makes this thread might just getting stunned all his char, watching papa palp taking endless turn and dont even have the chance to surrender. causing him to lose a arena fight or cant pass EP walls in TW.

Yeah, dont tell them the chance is fair and AI dont have % bolstered, just because some bad luck or whatever just happened and they wont listen to you anyway.

My Palp is better. He stuns all 5 plus when I start my next arena battle someone on the other team is already stunned. Just excellent strategy.
Aneima35
7 years ago
I feel ya pain OP. My palp use to have over 95% potentcy. After doing 10-15 arena battles a day I noticed my Palp would stun 2 to none on my opposing teams squad..and if stun did land..it was always on a toon like a tank instead of Thrawn/Nihilus or their Palpatene. Meanwhile my opponents Palpatene always always always stuns 3 to 5 of mine..making the battle so much more RNG oriented than it needs to be.

I ended up remodded for speed and dropped his potentcy to 82%. I figured a faster palpatene when controlled by the AI would give my opponents just as much trouble as theirs does to me. It's gotten to the point I don't even do AoE stuns anymore...I just spread shock around like butter.

I've seen and fought through all the metas beginning with Poe/droids to Palp.....this by far is the most annoying RNG controlled meta I've ever played...and honestly I kind of hate it.
Whatelse73
New Veteran
7 years ago
Here's another issue I have with the AI's "potency/tenacity" rubbish. I can go up against a team with R2 on it and my EP will get 1-2 stuns, but an R2 controlled by the AI can stun my entire. freakin. team. one at a time based on counters, assists, etc.

While I understand R2 'can' stun, the AI's R2 stuns better than the Emperor of the Galaxy who has such a high potency that, as someone has said, "doesn't matter at that point". Really really irritating that my whole team gets stunned by R2, one by one, but my EP can't stun more than 2 at a time with a mass stun.

I don't think that CG fully comprehends that the AI really wants to win and doesn't have the same limitations as we do. It makes all the rolls, it does the determining factors, and gets to pretty much do what it wants. Us players can only press a couple different buttons.

Please, with sugar on top, do something about the potency / tenacity issue, especially where the AI is abusing the rules.
swgohfan29
7 years ago
"Waqui;c-1584817" wrote:
"Whatelse73;c-1584727" wrote:
Here's another issue I have with the AI's "potency/tenacity" rubbish. I can go up against a team with R2 on it and my EP will get 1-2 stuns, but an R2 controlled by the AI can stun my entire. freakin. team. one at a time based on counters, assists, etc.

While I understand R2 'can' stun, the AI's R2 stuns better than the Emperor of the Galaxy who has such a high potency that, as someone has said, "doesn't matter at that point". Really really irritating that my whole team gets stunned by R2, one by one, but my EP can't stun more than 2 at a time with a mass stun.

I don't think that CG fully comprehends that the AI really wants to win and doesn't have the same limitations as we do.

I don't think you fully comprehend how potency works. Potency only works against high tenacity opponents. If your potency higher than (enemy tenacity —15%) then additional potency does nothing for you. There's always a 15% minimum chance to resist stuns (or other effects that are resistable).

Before the potency/tenacity check the attack first has to hit. Then the attack needs to produce the effect (not all effects have 100% chance of being produced). Only then will the potency/tenacity check be performed to see if the effect is resisted.

If the enemy R2D2 stuns your entire team through counter attacks, then you should be more careful. F.ex. Stun/fracture R2D2. Only attack from stealth. Buff with tenacity up. Only attack R2D2, if your tank is taunting. There are several options.

In addition to this, R2 stuns more frequently than EP (80% to 70%). Based on your counter/assist, you are either facing RJT or CLS. Both Squads have toons that can inlfict ten down, reducing all your tenacity to 0 and a 15% chance to resist (whee). plus, if RJT was zetaed, she can dispell on debuff, and if CLS is zetaed, he gets 100% Tenacity while he doesnt have Call to Action, which might beat the potency of EP. If CLS and r2 are both present and counter at once, it could be CLS Stunning and not r2 Finally, in a resistance squad, R2 gives potency to himself, ehich is enough to negate nost tenacity levels.