garbage! yes the falcon is!

"Liath;c-1869613" wrote:

"uno;c-1869604" wrote:
it doesn't....won't work against these

if it's not that it is easy pickings(auto every time)...that's if it was lucky enuf to get in the mix in the first place


not sure some understand...all those toons are g12plus with 6dot mods and zetas and all ship abilities...only missing a few here and there....there is only one counter to these fleets! poe tfp doesnt count cuz of how more rng that is

I still have no idea what is going on in this thread. I find this combo to be the easiest to beat and least rng dependent.

@Liath it did get kinda confusing.

But I think it's: Everything is RNG! vs Self Awareness. ;)

And kinda off topic but here is a novel approach I saw tonight. Hes bring HT off bench to prevent early cleanse of Breach.

"TAureliusC;c-1869344" wrote:
CG has consistently stated that they want arena to have a “paper scissors rock” feel to it, and for better or worse it has turned into one. Heck they even made it possible for 5* HMF to beat 7* teams. The Sith ships are garbage right now, and these days I look at fleet arena as a chore.

Actually the Sith fleet is quite good. Definitely not on par with the HMF fleet but no fleet is due to the synergy they have with the home one. I'm in a 14 month old shard and I run the sith mainly because I like being the odd ball but I really enjoy the simple synergy that they have with each other. I can beat the milf fleets about 40-50% of the time with them but it just requires a little rng luck. They'll be much better when they fix the B28 Bomber mine bug and get a capital fleet that synergizes with them exclusively like the home one does with the rebels.

"Rath_Tarr;c-1869116" wrote:

"leef;c-1869080" wrote:

"uno;c-1869060" wrote:

ps i am winning most of the time....sometimes the loss is a good one for mistake made or just a random dodge at the end of a close one...but usually its cuz of no assists early...stupid coinflip

in fear of stating the obvious, a coinflip is 50/50.

... unless it's a three-sided coin! ;)

Aren't they all?

"CCyrilS;c-1869647" wrote:

"Rath_Tarr;c-1869116" wrote:

"leef;c-1869080" wrote:

"uno;c-1869060" wrote:

ps i am winning most of the time....sometimes the loss is a good one for mistake made or just a random dodge at the end of a close one...but usually its cuz of no assists early...stupid coinflip

in fear of stating the obvious, a coinflip is 50/50.

... unless it's a three-sided coin! ;)

Aren't they all?

I guess you could consider the edge to be a third side but good luck flipping a coin and getting it to land on edge! :D

"jhbuchholz;c-1869605" wrote:

"mikk207;c-1869595" wrote:

"jhbuchholz;c-1869459" wrote:

"mikk207;c-1869449" wrote:
@VonZant
when did I ever say that every fleet in my shard is g12.5 with 6e mods ?
As I said before, there are easy bistan fleets and stonger ones.
ever played against a maxed hmf, biggs, bistan when every ship is gaster than yours ?
If enough assists happen and you dont resist some of it especially your fleet lasts 20 seconds.
so a maxed biggs is nothing to laugh at.
in ohter hmf comps bihhs is just an indicator how strong the fleet overall is. with a maxed biggs it is very likely the other chars are equally leveled.
a maxed biggs is likely to survive a hmf onslaught so your chances of loosing will increase

We have three of these fleets in my leaderboard. My fleet is G12+3, no 6E mods except Ackbar who is G12+4 full 6E. I find the RNG to be minimal. When the RNG hits it's right off the bat, as you point out, and you know you're going to lose. I believe VonZant, or whoever said it's 80-90% win rate. I lose a battle or two a week and have to go through one or two of these guys daily. Strategy still trumps RNG even against maxed Bistan/SRP and Biggs.

against a maxed hmf biggs bistan (again, I am talking about a maxed enemy) my winrate is not 90% and my front ships are mostly 12.5 and 6e mods.
It is a difference with hmf, bistan ht lineup as well if they are fully maxed or not in my experience.

I win against these fleets nearly 100% of the time if the crew is only g12.3.
there are 3 maxed or nearly maxed fleets in my shard where my winrate is not close to 90%

when you guys play against f u l l y m a x e d fleets and your winrate is 90% then congratulation

I appreciate the congratulations. Thank you.

you are welcome ?

So, I don’t get it, is the complaint that you can’t win a mirror match against a faster fleet? Or is it that you’re losing the Bistan coin toss? Or are you using HMF, Biggs and HT?
If it’s the first case, mirror matches are generally losses if you have a speed deficit. You’re actually only winning because of good RNG.
If it’s the second case, then you’re using a highly RNG dependent fleet while complaining about RNG. So, yeah.
If it’s the third case, Bistan fleets are a counter to HT, so you probably should switch your fleet up. As a note, Bistan fleets are very squishy and rely on outspeeding the enemy fleet before they die. There are 7 ships to pick from that are faster than Bistan (the fastest ship in his fleet).
If you really are having that hard of a time climbing, and your fleets really are all maxed out, I’d try swapping out for a fleet that can beat Bistan on offense, then switch to your Bistan fleet for defense.

"VonZant;c-1869629" wrote:
And kinda off topic but here is a novel approach I saw tonight. Hes bring HT off bench to prevent early cleanse of Breach.

This post only makes me more confused. If that’s a novel idea you only just saw for the first time then your shard is about 5 months behind.

"stoopid_one;c-1869609" wrote:


That fleet you posted is the same fleet I run as well as the common fleet in my arena. I beat it on a regular basis and it has very little to do with RNG, its all about the abilities you use. Their speeds in that grouping play less to RNG as their Falcon will hide on the first turn, and without the 2 other Rebel ships will not gain 100% TM. Without the chain assists from Bistan calling Falcon and falcon calling a third the damage is lower.

firstly target their HT with all attacks until yous goes. If you target anyone else then their HT gains TM and can breach any ship instead of your HT. IF your HT goes first then breach Biggs instead of HT so it is harder to cleanse. HT cleanses itself when it uses his basic, so Home ones AoE special calls 2 random allies to assist, meaning a good chance HT will be called and cleanse itself, as well as doing damage. If theirs goes first and breach is active, then call Phantom in and target their HT. This reduces the RI cool down on your capital ship (if maxed) allowing you to bring in another ship next turn. As soon as breach is off your team bring in Cassian's U-wing to clear all their buff's and then use his special to call your Falcon to assist. Even with yours at a lower star rating, you can normally eliminate their Falcon with the assists. Once its down then its easy from there.

I have been climbing to top of fleet since about 2mths after ships launched (was top 100 before then) because of the rare character/ship shards, and now Zeta and Omega's. I understand your frustration at what they have maxed compared to yourself, I face better geared fleets every day. If you look at the kits on all the ships you can see ways to reduce RNG and climb.

thanx for the order of operations...been doing this since first week of release(5* at that time). is much easier now that 'almost' maxed. bistan fleets are way too squishy in my shard and much more rng due to biggs(usually) not lasting opening salvo. it's not that i don't win 75%-80% of the time(the AI isn't as good as a player), it's that those losses sometimes comes in 2's or 3's in a row because of no assists...yep that's zero...NO amount of gear, zeta's, ability mats, wishful good vibes will change the fact that those assists are 50/50, coinflip, fifty percent chance...pure, unadulterated rng....can u smell the minty freshness?...lol

"Liath;c-1869701" wrote:

"VonZant;c-1869629" wrote:
And kinda off topic but here is a novel approach I saw tonight. Hes bring HT off bench to prevent early cleanse of Breach.

This post only makes me more confused. If that’s a novel idea you only just saw for the first time then your shard is about 5 months behind.

@Liath I've never seen it either but my shard is like 2 years behind once you get out of the top 20 ;)