Getting floored by QGJ GS Yoda Dooku Lumi now

I am having the same issue with my shard. There are a few fast whale teams I have yet to beat with my top squad.

Not sure if there is a counter to it. They all move lighting fast and hit HARD.

I don't have dooku but he is my new focus in cantina as I 7 starred GS today. With all this new Jedi speed I think you have to run a top speed/dps team to take top spot.

Sorry you are having trouble but I have to admit that I smiled when I read the thread title since that is currently my exact team. :)
I'm sure it's not that great on AI, and also my star levels aren't very high, so I won't be able to get top 5 with it. But it's strong and fun.
Be aware that there's currently a bug that lets Yoda steal buffs that he shouldn't, so that's probably part of the problem.
BTW Lumi and GS should not go before your Poe.

Dooku is the best chance vs those teams. Need to stun QGJ. Replace Poggle vs these teams as Yoda copy Poggle buff, specislly vs droids as he copies the speed too

I'm not sure how others play this team but I don't even bother with the Yoda buff copying/distributing thing. It takes too long on a team oriented around speed.
The two most important things Yoda does against most teams:
1. Immediately give everyone Tenacity Up. This wreaks havoc with all the debuffs people rely on, including stuns, DOTs, exposes and turn meter reductions. I haven't had a chance to test this against a properly leveled Old Ben but the level 59 one I faced in GW today, not one debuff stuck. Also makes you effectively immune to heal-blocking.
2. Wait for the right time and use his ability that reduces turn meter by 40%. If they are below 50%, even better.
Any sort of buff stealing I do later on just as an added bonus, but usually isn't needed.
Tenacity Up is key and you want it out there ASAP. The GIFs of the whole team countering Kylo are fun and all, but if you wait 3 turns to use Battle Meditation you are going to lose against a top team.

"DarthMasterShawn;131668" wrote:

Poe is still quick with turn meter
The coin toss is gone except on a tie
Teams still die before you get a turn
Teams are still fairly cookie cutter, just different shape now.

Yep. The speed problem is even worse now. I'm just tired of fighting it, and I happen to like Jedi anyway. :)
BTW this team makes mincemeat out of Poe. I have gone from avoiding Poe teams to seeking them out.

"DarthMasterShawn;131668" wrote:

The sad thing here is no 1 or 2 toons make it this way. As @Qeltar has stated repeatedly it is the damage to health that is off balance. There are some very great toons that are simply too slow to be viable in PVP due to it. That is what needs fixing, not a toon here or toon there.

Speed is too important, and damage is too important. Still.

"DarthMasterShawn;131668" wrote:

Oh here is a point to ponder. We had the who goes first coin toss that drew complaints. Now we have the Whose Dooku's stun goes off, whose crit goes off coin tosses instead. Same issue, just different shape.

It's not nearly as bad because of one important difference between the fast Jedi and Poe: they don't do team-wide turn meter reduction, and they are more complex characters. It's not a simple coin toss because Yoda has 4 different things he can do. Dooku has to choose a target, and there's a chance his stun won't land. With Poe it was just "hit that button on the right" and you basically won.
So the speed problem is worse, but coin-flip problem is better.

"DarthMasterShawn;131668" wrote:

Oh and to the OP that is because with QGJ lead Yoda, Dooku, and QGJ are the fastest in the game(Though if I'm not mistaken a maxed Ani would be faster than QGJ) Dooku and Yoda are top 4 anyways no buff required,lol. GS no buffs taken into account is the 5th fastest. So that build is speedy, but easily beatable. I face 2 teams with builds like that daily in my top 10 and have yet to lose to it.

GQJ and Anakin are the same speed. I am working on Ani but I am not really sure where he fits in. Probably in place of Lumi but I have a very hard time with the idea of letting her go. That heal is just huge.
I am sure this team isn't as good on defense as it is on offense. It relies on complex characters and smart target/skill selection.

I am running this exact team. (Sometimes Sid or Poe over Yoda). I eat 7* Poe's for a pre-dinner snack on my way to #1 everyday. Speed is everything right now.

"Qeltar;131681" wrote:

Speed is too important, and damage is too important. Still.

Unfortunately, we still need speed and dps to eliminate threats before the opposing team takes multiple turns or applies ability block/offense down.Unless these abilities are modified to not affect entire teams or modified to affect at most two characters, lowering damage will only give birth to another problem. And we need high single target dps to counter the high hp characters too, so that might be a potential balancing problem too.

That said, I enjoy the options we have in squad arena now. dooku, gs, rey, ben, yoda,qgj, anakin, sidious,Eeth Koth etc. Target selection and team selection are so important now in this high speed dps meta. poe has fallen off a lot, I find han a better option with 30% turn meter gain for the entire team upon taunting and 20% turn meter gain for the entire team upon being hit allowing your team to start the second turn first, and ensuring the opposing team wastes a hit or two on han.Still, not too sure about using taunters because qgj gives his entire team offense up if he dispells. Not too sure if starting first in the second round is worth it...

The only difference here is that whales are happy b/c scrubby ftp Poe isn't hosing their 2k$$ teams. It's just as bad watching 7 star quiggles and Rey's one shot your toons. Poe was the only enabler for slow toons. There is less variance now than before Poe since nobody can use slow toons on legit vet shards.

I would think Rey would be in that team. Dooku and Rey are my only 2 non 7* guys and I regret that now. Dooku just wrecks a Jedi team. Having him with the jedi, that is a good idea.

"Noktarn;131813" wrote:
The only difference here is that whales are happy b/c scrubby ftp Poe isn't hosing their 2k$$ teams. It's just as bad watching 7 star quiggles and Rey's one shot your toons. Poe was the only enabler for slow toons. There is less variance now than before Poe since nobody can use slow toons on legit vet shards.

Even if that were true, "legit vet shards" are a very small % of the player base. So if the change benefit every other shard, it is good anyways