Hello everyone,I have been facing this for a long time now, initially thought it was a known issue, but after looking around I realized there is no mention of the following.So, here it goes:I run triumvirate, dbastilla and thrawn. Let's say I attack a standard jkr team, all zetas and everything.Jkr focuses traya, thrawn fractures jkr, sion aoe, dbastilla fear on gmy. Now, there are 2 things that will happen 1) bastilla will use her dispel to gmy, who will immediately get rid of fear and do his aoe. Yes, bastilla's 2nd will dispel the undispelable fear on gmy. However, gmy will still receive the debuffs after the fear expires which brings me to the second point2) gmy hits with aoe, lands back to his spot with full tm due to the aoe passive ability, thrawn counters due to fracture and hits gmy who has stagger among the rest debuffs. While he should lose all his tm, gmy simply continues to play AND stagger expires.Can someone please explain what I'm missing?Edit for clarification, gmy doesn't lose fear because bastilla gives him tm, if that was the case he would still lose his turn due to fear, just like with thrawn's swap

Regarding 2):GMY's bonus turn is an imediate bonus turn. He's guaranteed to perform the next action after using his AoE.

This is why Bonus turns need an icon to denote them...TM in general needs a slight recodingBonus Turns should take precedence,Then 100% TM characters get a marker and a queue position,Any other effects that fill turn meter for other characters get them a marker behind the first wave of characters to prevent turn spamming cheese,Bonus turns aren't turn meter gain and need to be recognized as such.TM gain needs a slight nerf as I've described.Ex: Revan and Opponents Talzin are at 100% TM, Talzin goes and fills up zombies meter, zombie goes. This should never happen. Revan had TM first and should have a marker saying he goes first no matter what over TM gain triggers but a bonus turn effect would be before him.Order of Power:Bonus TurnsFull TMTM Gain

Yeah I'd like this to be addressed as @Solus_Imperius suggested, if for no other reason than to be able to plan around bonus turns.

I have a theory as to why Yoda loses fear. Traya lead deals damage to someone when they attack out of turn. Fear expires upon being dealt damage. So, my theory is that when LS Bastila calls GMY to assist Traya's 35% HP damage to him ends up causing Fear to wear off. (Then the debuffs show up) One could argue that the damage from Traya's leadership is not really an attack, but based on recent events (*cough* Bossk / Jawas *cough*) it seems like there are several actions under the hood perceived as an "attack" by the code even if they don't really seem that way to us as players.

@skypse - good point. I’m not sure if that would still trigger as an “attack” on him or not. I could see maybe the game still dealing the damage to him even though he couldn’t actually assist. Try recording it on 1x next time and see what numbers fly around when that happens.

GMY ignores the status effects rules

Waquira
6 years ago
Regarding 2):

GMY's bonus turn is an imediate bonus turn. He's guaranteed to perform the next action after using his AoE.
OfTheVeilGaming
Rising Traveler
6 years ago
This is why Bonus turns need an icon to denote them...
TM in general needs a slight recoding
Bonus Turns should take precedence,
Then 100% TM characters get a marker and a queue position,
Any other effects that fill turn meter for other characters get them a marker behind the first wave of characters to prevent turn spamming cheese,

Bonus turns aren't turn meter gain and need to be recognized as such.
TM gain needs a slight nerf as I've described.
Ex: Revan and Opponents Talzin are at 100% TM, Talzin goes and fills up zombies meter, zombie goes. This should never happen. Revan had TM first and should have a marker saying he goes first no matter what over TM gain triggers but a bonus turn effect would be before him.

Order of Power:
Bonus Turns
Full TM
TM Gain
vegenigma
6 years ago
Yeah I'd like this to be addressed as @Solus_Imperius suggested, if for no other reason than to be able to plan around bonus turns.
benmillhouse
6 years ago
I have a theory as to why Yoda loses fear. Traya lead deals damage to someone when they attack out of turn. Fear expires upon being dealt damage. So, my theory is that when LS Bastila calls GMY to assist Traya's 35% HP damage to him ends up causing Fear to wear off. (Then the debuffs show up)

One could argue that the damage from Traya's leadership is not really an attack, but based on recent events (*cough* Bossk / Jawas *cough*) it seems like there are several actions under the hood perceived as an "attack" by the code even if they don't really seem that way to us as players.
benmillhouse
6 years ago
@skypse - good point. I’m not sure if that would still trigger as an “attack” on him or not. I could see maybe the game still dealing the damage to him even though he couldn’t actually assist. Try recording it on 1x next time and see what numbers fly around when that happens.
tvsfrink
6 years ago
"crzydroid;c-1948486" wrote:
GMY shouldn't be able to assist with Fear.

With the caveat that written abilities don't always seem to match what actually happens, here's the text on Fear:

Miss the next turn, can't use abilites, and can't evade. Increase cooldowns by 1 and Fear expires on taking damage from an attack.

Nothing there says he can't assist.
chionophobe
6 years ago
"TVF;c-1948530" wrote:
Assisting is using an ability? I'm sure you're right, but that seems inconsistent with BSF being able to apply CBM without using an ability, or being able to inflict it when she has it herself.

Yep, he's using his basic. Basics and specials count as abilities. CBM is inflicted passively via unique, so it doesn't count.
NyKynoe
6 years ago
"skypse;c-1950028" wrote:
Here we are. I tried to find a slow bastilla to do it, but when I fear gmy, she gets fear too. However, kenobi this time not only dispels fear, but also grants the buffs opposite to the fear debuffs. Watch and enjoy ??

https://youtu.be/tHxoyptimjE

From watching this video, fear is applied to GMY, and Bastilla. Both of those fear expire before GK takes his turn, due to their respective TMs and GK uses his special to then grant the opposite of each debuff. GK didnt dispell fear, both of those toons "took a turn", before him.
homerjsolo
6 years ago

Since I took the time to watch this (note to self, read entire thread next time :D ), this is the frame that shows that both Bastila and GMY have 0% TM indicating that they took their turns.
psycosaltine
6 years ago
I think masterstroke is a bonus turn, and i dont think all bonus turns work the same. Some can be prevented (han coiflip comes to mind) but i dont think gmys can.

Also i think only dr fear is undispellable.