In a Facebook group that I'm in someone asked why their Raid Han wasn't going first. We problem solved this to the following situation. There was no Han on the opposing team, it was an empire team. The battle was happening in TW, and the team had been attacked before. The acting theory is that there was another character in the opposing team that had 100% turn meter, and that they coin flipped for who went first. My understanding is that Han shouldn't have to coin flip with anyone but an opposing Han. Have we missed something, or is that something that needs to be fixed?

It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM. If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first. WAI.

"Kyno;c-1548250" wrote:It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM. If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first. WAI.Is that defined somewhere? I don't read "Han takes a bonus action at the start of each encounter" as "Han receives 100% turn meter at the start of each encounter".More likely what seems more reasonable to me is they didn't give any consideration to the preexisting TM in TW, and gave Han 100% TM as an equivalent way to ensure opposing Han's got their fair shot. But really, I think this should be adjusted, either the wording in the ability, or fix the TW loophole. Know what I mean??

The ability states "Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter." Not action, turn. Turn in this game means and has always meant 100% TM. There is no loophole and the ability is properly worded.WAI

I do wish it was worded as "Han starts each encounter with 100% turn meter". Just so we don't have these threads popping up on the forum every week

"Darthpedro;c-1548412" wrote:I do wish it was worded as "Han starts each encounter with 100% turn meter". Just so we don't have these threads popping up on the forum every weekThis. This has been a long standing issue--it is not just a TW thing. There is also the issue of if Han doesn't go first and gets attacked and counters, his counter will stun, but then on his (bonus) turn, his basic won't stun but he'll have all abilities available to him.

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NyKynoe
7 years ago
It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.

It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM.

If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first.

WAI.
Trent_Illician
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1548250" wrote:
It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.

It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM.

If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first.

WAI.

Is that defined somewhere? I don't read "Han takes a bonus action at the start of each encounter" as "Han receives 100% turn meter at the start of each encounter".

More likely what seems more reasonable to me is they didn't give any consideration to the preexisting TM in TW, and gave Han 100% TM as an equivalent way to ensure opposing Han's got their fair shot. But really, I think this should be adjusted, either the wording in the ability, or fix the TW loophole. Know what I mean??
derKrampus9
7 years ago
The ability states "Han takes a bonus turn at the start of each encounter." Not action, turn. Turn in this game means and has always meant 100% TM. There is no loophole and the ability is properly worded.

WAI
hendy_2012
7 years ago
I do wish it was worded as "Han starts each encounter with 100% turn meter". Just so we don't have these threads popping up on the forum every week
crzydroid
Retired Hero
7 years ago
"Darthpedro;c-1548412" wrote:
I do wish it was worded as "Han starts each encounter with 100% turn meter". Just so we don't have these threads popping up on the forum every week

This. This has been a long standing issue--it is not just a TW thing. There is also the issue of if Han doesn't go first and gets attacked and counters, his counter will stun, but then on his (bonus) turn, his basic won't stun but he'll have all abilities available to him.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"Matt_B;c-1548452" wrote:
Based on the description, I have to agree with the folks above saying that it is WAI.

However, I think it’s worth mentioning that the name of the skill is “Shoots First.” Based on the name, it would make more sense to say that Han takes the first action and doesn’t have to roll with other characters at 100% TM, otherwise he would not be shooting first.

It’s just the name and it doesn’t mean much in the rest of the game, but when we talked about NS Zombie’s Endless Horde in reference to Annihilate and Execute, the name was part of the discussion to explain why Endless Horde was WAI.

I know it doesn’t matter, just wanted to say that I can understand why someone would think Han would........shoot first.

Titles are not descriptions.

i.e. -

is it really a trap?

I'm sure there are others that dont make sense when you look at what they do. which is why we have descriptions.

How others use titles to make sense of an ability doesn't make that a catch all reason. But sometimes it helps.
Trent_Illician
7 years ago
My mistake on saying "Bonus Action", VS "Bonus Turn" it definitely does say bonus turn. Now, for the sake of consistency why doesn't Bistan's Frenzy ability read "Whenever another ally uses a Special ability, this unit gains a bonus turn"?? Instead, it says "Whenever another ally uses a Special ability, this unit gains 100% turn meter".

I really think that the intention behind Shoots First did not include being beaten on initiative in TW. Also, sorry for bringing up what's clearly been brought up before, I didn't see a post.
Riegorn
7 years ago
I dont think its a bug, same thing happens in mythic R2 event in the last battle. I think it was said that Han have 1000 speed for his first turn. so when enemy have already high turn meter they can go before him.
Waquira
7 years ago
There's definately a mismatch between the description of Han's skill and the way it's implemented. The description says, that he takes a turn. It doesn't say that he simply starts the battle with 100% TM.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"Trent_Illician;c-1548342" wrote:
"Kyno;c-1548250" wrote:
It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.

It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM.

If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first.

WAI.

Is that defined somewhere? I don't read "Han takes a bonus action at the start of each encounter" as "Han receives 100% turn meter at the start of each encounter".

More likely what seems more reasonable to me is they didn't give any consideration to the preexisting TM in TW, and gave Han 100% TM as an equivalent way to ensure opposing Han's got their fair shot. But really, I think this should be adjusted, either the wording in the ability, or fix the TW loophole. Know what I mean??

it says Turn, not action. No need to change anything as it clearly states Turn. and a turn is 100% TM.

"Kyno;c-1548250" wrote:
It is not a bug. His ability does not give him the first action.

It gives him a bonus turn. A turn in game is 100% TM.

If multiple toons have 100% TM, then it is decided by RNG who goes first.

WAI.