Hoping someone can help me with a couple of questions on the Bugs group.1) I have seen several discussions on how people think the protection / health equalization SHOULD work, but I want to understand how they DO work and I can't find that. I think it has to be one of 2 ways First: Bug 1 gets attacked and loses 25% of his protection. Then, to "equalize" 25% is divided by 5 which is 5%each so each Bug now has 95% of their protection in their stats. Second: Bug 1 is attacked and loses 10,000 protection points. 10,000/5 = 2000 points each and each bug now has 2000 less units of protection than they originally had. Can someone tell me if it is one of these or something else?2) Did the Bugs get reworked? Ever since the Vader rework I have been slaughtering Bug teams. About a week ago I went back to not being able to beat them. I was taking down gear 12s with one or 2 having relics, now no relics and a couple below gear 12 I am getting beat.Thanks for any help on either of these.

Vader can solo Geonosians teams under 2 conditions; 1: He is of equal gear level/relic or higher and 2: He is faster.If he doesn’t meet either of these, it’s best to run him with Palp, Shore, or Thrawn

"shaun51422;c-2153428" wrote:"Firefoxx666;c-2153346" wrote:Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same. Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.I'm just talking about single target. I think it has to be somewhat about dividing the damage because if you had one with more stars and gear than another then the equalization would give the weak one a good deal more protection after he was damaged than before. That isn't right is it?It's % based. If you look after each equalization your health/prot bars are at the same level, so the same %. This does mean that attacking a geo with a lower max protection is more effective.Numbers are simplified to show the effect, but, let's say we have 6 geos out and they all have 10k max protection, except sun fac who has 20k protection.You do 6000 damage to geo soldier, leaving him at 40% protection. When protection equalizes they add up the percentage, so 5 people at 100% and one at 40%. So 540%, divide by 6 and we're at an average of 90%. So all geos go to 90% protection.So now you have 5 geos at 9,000 protection and sun fac is at 18,000 protection. That means geos are missing a total of 7000 protection even though you only did 6k damage to soldier.The opposite is also true though, if you did that 6k damage to sun fac geos would equalize to 95% protection. This means your 6,000 damage results in a loss of only 3,500 protection!

As noted above, the Health/Prot pools are equalized by %.So YES, you get better results by hitting the Lowest HP/PROT people first since it takes off more actual HP/Prot from the beefy tank types.But to do that you have to get around those taunts :)

Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same. Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.

"shaun51422;d-234273" wrote:2) Did the Bugs get reworked? Ever since the Vader rework I have been slaughtering Bug teams. About a week ago I went back to not being able to beat them. I was taking down gear 12s with one or 2 having relics, now no relics and a couple below gear 12 I am getting beat.Nope, did not get reworked.

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Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
Vader can solo Geonosians teams under 2 conditions; 1: He is of equal gear level/relic or higher and 2: He is faster.

If he doesn’t meet either of these, it’s best to run him with Palp, Shore, or Thrawn
DuneFlint
5 years ago
"shaun51422;c-2153428" wrote:
"Firefoxx666;c-2153346" wrote:
Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same.

Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.

I'm just talking about single target. I think it has to be somewhat about dividing the damage because if you had one with more stars and gear than another then the equalization would give the weak one a good deal more protection after he was damaged than before. That isn't right is it?

It's % based. If you look after each equalization your health/prot bars are at the same level, so the same %. This does mean that attacking a geo with a lower max protection is more effective.

Numbers are simplified to show the effect, but, let's say we have 6 geos out and they all have 10k max protection, except sun fac who has 20k protection.

You do 6000 damage to geo soldier, leaving him at 40% protection. When protection equalizes they add up the percentage, so 5 people at 100% and one at 40%. So 540%, divide by 6 and we're at an average of 90%. So all geos go to 90% protection.

So now you have 5 geos at 9,000 protection and sun fac is at 18,000 protection. That means geos are missing a total of 7000 protection even though you only did 6k damage to soldier.

The opposite is also true though, if you did that 6k damage to sun fac geos would equalize to 95% protection. This means your 6,000 damage results in a loss of only 3,500 protection!
Schwartzring
5 years ago
As noted above, the Health/Prot pools are equalized by %.

So YES, you get better results by hitting the Lowest HP/PROT people first since it takes off more actual HP/Prot from the beefy tank types.

But to do that you have to get around those taunts :)
firefoxx83uk
5 years ago
Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same.

Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.
tvsfrink
5 years ago
"shaun51422;d-234273" wrote:
2) Did the Bugs get reworked? Ever since the Vader rework I have been slaughtering Bug teams. About a week ago I went back to not being able to beat them. I was taking down gear 12s with one or 2 having relics, now no relics and a couple below gear 12 I am getting beat.

Nope, did not get reworked.
Shaun51422
Rising Novice
5 years ago
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2153371" wrote:
Vader can solo Geonosians teams under 2 conditions; 1: He is of equal gear level/relic or higher and 2: He is faster.

If he doesn’t meet either of these, it’s best to run him with Palp, Shore, or Thrawn

This has been my experience until this week. Now suddenly my relic 4 Vader that goes 1st can't put down teams that are g12 and lower.
Shaun51422
Rising Novice
5 years ago
"Snowbird13;c-2153379" wrote:
"Salatious_Scrum;c-2153371" wrote:
Vader can solo Geonosians teams under 2 conditions; 1: He is of equal gear level/relic or higher and 2: He is faster.

If he doesn’t meet either of these, it’s best to run him with Palp, Shore, or Thrawn

Not too sure about that one. I could put my fastest mods on him, but he will only take out one or two on his first run MM. That still leaves 4 before his next turn, which won't be a MM

He does solo bugs in 3v3 though

Also was my experience until this week
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
I don’t know what experiences you’ve all been having but I haven’t had issues running Vader solo into Geos, although I tend to also throw in Shoretrooper/IPD if they are a strong Geo team
Shaun51422
Rising Novice
5 years ago
"Firefoxx666;c-2153346" wrote:
Well its more about equally dividing the remains hp/prot, than dividing the damage between them, but in a single target case the math is basically the same.

Neither of your methods works for AOE damage, as you are talking about dividing and subtracting that damage, so better to think of it as adding all remaining hp/prot into one pool, then dividing that evenly. Ignore the damage factor.

I'm just talking about single target. I think it has to be somewhat about dividing the damage because if you had one with more stars and gear than another then the equalization would give the weak one a good deal more protection after he was damaged than before. That isn't right is it?
Scruminator
Seasoned Newcomer
5 years ago
I’m curious, what are your move orders and kill priorities going in?