Sith can never go before BB8 by my understanding. Once R2 puts stealth on rey it's all over. So is the key to be faster than r2 so you can fracture rey? Then you have to be able to kill GO in that time? Thanks.

"Woodroward;c-1512252" wrote:"swgoh_jackson;c-1499965" wrote:The Sith meta, Ep lead, DV, DN, Thrawn plus GK/Sion/Shore, if u have Ep lead zetaed (causing all empire and sith keep getting tm) and DN wound in the force zetaed (slow down cooldown of special by giving debuff every enemy turn), destroy JTR.JTR team should fear you lolThe only team that really counter that is Rex lead. I always switch from JTR to Rex lead when fighting the Sith meta...Just to clarify. I run JTR and fear no composition at all, whatsoever. The only way I don't win with my comp against any other comp is if I am uber outclassed in speed mods.Fear the speed

"westenger;c-1514635" wrote:"Hekalatos;c-1499666" wrote:"Naraic;c-1499614" wrote:Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157 Vader should be faster.Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.don't forget, bb8 gives all droid allies 8% TM for every droid. So you have to be significantly faster to outpace r2.Okey so I was going to make a post myself but here it seems appropiate.Today I ran my zzPalps, Vader(243), Thraw, Sion and Nihilus against JTR, R2(270), BB8(264), GK and Thrawn.If my math are correct, Vader gets 243+16+16+8+8+8+8+8 = 315 speed, while their R2 has 270 + 16% tm from BB8 unique, so the 116% of 270 is 313,2 which I assume it rounds down to 313 as the speed set does if your character has 139 speed the set adds 13 speed not 14. Still if it was round up it would be 314 which is slower than my Vader, still R2 went first. What's going on?ThanksThat's not how TM works. R2 with 270 starting speed and 16%TM = 270/(1-0.16) = 321 = Faster than your Vader.

Yes. Palp DN vader thrawn GK/sion (4* sion is not geared enough)

Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157 Vader should be faster.Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.

"Naraic;c-1499614" wrote:Vader should be faster than r2d2 and bb8.Vader base speed 121 (+ speed from ability 16 Palpatine 16 Vader 8 thrawn 8 Nihilus =48 extra +extra speed from opposition Kenobi and or r2d2 but not counted here) 169 (185)Bb8 base speed 162 nd r2d2 is 157 Vader should be faster.Go first force crush culling blade, Palpatine's zeta will give you 5% Turn meter for each debuff culling blade expired which will mean Palpatine and thrawn should be ahead of most opposition.Edit I forgot about bb8 roll with punches, yeah you are right you need to have better speed mods then they do or drop Kenobi for an extra 8 speed for Vader from a Sith or empire ally.don't forget, bb8 gives all droid allies 8% TM for every droid. So you have to be significantly faster to outpace r2.

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baj1dallas
7 years ago
"Ogrelicious54;c-1512246" wrote:
Dont fracture GK. Wait and Fracture JTR. Once she is fractured, take her out. the team falls apart from there.

Yeah if I can fracture her I do but it's not a given that I will be able to. I think the problem with my team is Vader is not quite fast enough,and obv having only 4* Sion. If she gets her third turn fight usually ends.
Infernus1231
7 years ago
On offense it's pretty easy to win period. My JTR team beats pretty much every sith team on my shard about 95% of the time. And on the flip side, I'm sure they beat me too. If you're on offense, right now, you really shouldn't be losing.
NyKynoe
7 years ago
"scuba;c-1499816" wrote:
"Luniz;d-163491" wrote:
Sith can never go before BB8 by my understanding. Once R2 puts stealth on rey it's all over. So is the key to be faster than r2 so you can fracture rey? Then you have to be able to kill GO in that time? Thanks.

Sion AoE dispel that can't be evaded takes care of that stealth and fs.

This.

Same I did with NS, you actually want to be slower than R2. Let them burn the skill then clear it and move on.
Infernus1231
7 years ago
"Kyno;c-1512872" wrote:
"scuba;c-1499816" wrote:
"Luniz;d-163491" wrote:
Sith can never go before BB8 by my understanding. Once R2 puts stealth on rey it's all over. So is the key to be faster than r2 so you can fracture rey? Then you have to be able to kill GO in that time? Thanks.

Sion AoE dispel that can't be evaded takes care of that stealth and fs.

This.

Same I did with NS, you actually want to be slower than R2. Let them burn the skill then clear it and move on.

I feel like when I fight with JTR this actually works in my favor as long as my JTR has ability blocked and dazed DN. BB8 will counter and call either JTR or R2 to assist. If it's R2 Sion will likely get stunned. On R2's next turn he will use his aoe and reduce the cooldown on his stealth move, making it usable again.
baj1dallas
7 years ago
Yeah sions aoe skill usually winds up with him stunned and expose at 10% health so it can't really be used.
Schustring
7 years ago
"Luniz;c-1512972" wrote:
Yeah sions aoe skill usually winds up with him stunned and expose at 10% health so it can't really be used.

This is why you need sith trooper instead of Thrawn... he will absorb way more damage than Sion
mobewan0527
7 years ago
Zeta dn unique
DVZR
7 years ago
"Mobewan;c-1513239" wrote:
Zeta dn unique

So, how does it work exactly and what benefit does it Give? I see it puts health down, but what is practical effect?
djohns2000
7 years ago
He's probably hoping that it'll get cleansed often enough to be a significant tm boost.
Nikoms565
7 years ago
Nah, even if R2 stealths, Vader can throw AOE dots and Palp can still AOE stun. You don't even have to fracture JTRey to get an easy win.