Leviathan mirror battle

"CrispyFett;c-2446090" wrote:
I don't think the people who wanted Levi to perform as CG advertised are the one's complaining about the mirrors, tbh, but I'm too lazy to go back and look. I'm not complaining about mirrors, I have no problems winning unless I lose both the cap ship rng and lose the SASS coin flip. Even then not impossible, but more difficult. Honestly, the more impactful determination for me at least is whose SASS goes first, as I find if mine does, regardless of whose cap ship went first, I win pretty much 100% of the time

They are the ones pushing for levi to be the only counter.
when mirriors are the "only" way then who goes first will eventually come down to a coin flip in fleet mirrors as there is only some much improvement per ship.
Then it comes down to how important that first turn or two is.
Yes SA first turn seems more important deciding factor than levi first turn, espically if opponent has RI set up for MK6 to come out 2nd.
This is why it is dumb to try and nerf all counters.

Agreed. Mirror-only coin flip garbage is just that. Same as nerfing non-GL counters like they did a while ago, though it seems there's some counters now that don't need a mirror. If someone takes the time to figure out how a kit works and can make a counter happen, it just looks bad for CG to go, "lol, nope. I mean, we put this interaction in the game, but we didn't think you were smart enough to use it this way, and now we can't have that" I get there's people that act like, "I spent all this time or money to get this, I shouldn't be so easily undermined" but most of the time it doesn't seem like it's an easy counter to their GL or ship. Thrawn certainly isn't an easy counter to Levi, I still get stomped a fair amount. Don't penalize people for thinking.

I’ll just speak for myself but I think the majority of players that advocated for a Levi buff will agree.

I didn’t want Levi to be invincible nor did i want coin flip mirrors. I wanted there to be a reason to pursue Levi for those that weren’t early adopters and I wanted some benefit to being an early adopter. When it was first introduced it was too weak on defense to justify developing the fleet over any other major project in the game. That’s not what should be said about a “meta defining” fleet.

Levi doesn’t quite live up to the hype but is far closer than it was. Yes coin flip mirrors suck but that doesn’t really describe Levi. Getting to ultimate on offense isn’t strictly needed. Going first with SA isn’t strictly necessary.

I for one have zero problems having a harder time with opponents who decided to invest more into ships. I’m still finding tremendous success in mirrors against both opponents who’ve not gone above reqs like me and opponents who have. I for one welcome the variety in relic levels found in fleets because it actually means you have to manage your resources and decide what use of them is more beneficial in a resource management game.

I wanted nothing to beat me on defense but another Levi

I wanted an easy mirror on offense

I mostly have that now...on offense

I'm satisfied...on offense

"Bevel_Lemelisk;c-2446276" wrote:

What's your swgoh.gg?

Not sure if it let's me post links but
https://swgoh.gg/p/165911665/
And here is all 4 of the opponents ships going before me and me still winning.
https://youtu.be/4FIvPjbTSTM?si=208r6KZnqBsbLTAo

and also has Mk6 called as first reinforcement. So an opponent that doesn't know how to set RI properly

"Bevel_Lemelisk;c-2446276" wrote:

What's your swgoh.gg?

Not sure if it let's me post links but
https://swgoh.gg/p/165911665/
And here is all 4 of the opponents ships going before me and me still winning.
https://youtu.be/4FIvPjbTSTM?si=208r6KZnqBsbLTAo

Oh, I thought I'd be able to see some consistent win streak vs Levi with Profundity, Exe or Nego Marauder in your GAC history like you said your "guildmates win using Profundity 90% of the time, Chimera with Scythe, Negotiator with Maurader and Executor" but the only thing I see are Levi mirrors vs Dagger startings.

Thought I could learn smth since I'm only aware of Nego Marauder timing out, Profundity having a good amount of RNG and Exe being an entire RNG fiesta.

"scuba;c-2446277" wrote:

and also has Mk6 called as first reinforcement. So an opponent that doesn't know how to set RI properly

Is there a way to have Mk6 called second when Fighter is in the starting lineup?

Welcome to the coin-flip meta. Requiring max relic level for capital ship pilot ensures it'll be a coin-flip; it's great.

Unless you don't have all 6-dot mods and all zetas on Revan, then thats a different problem

It is what some cried and complained to CG for.

Yeah that’s not how it works against an all R9 Levi fleet. Sounds like you don’t even go up against opponents with a higher relic Sass. If you did, you’d know that you won’t even get to calling Mk as you describe. You need to call Phantom first if you want any shot at a second RI.