Looking for Palps/Vader/DS Arena advice

EP lead, (both zeta) zader (unique) thrawn, tarkin, tfp is the best offense, mod tfp faster than enemy bb8 and they barely get an attack, not great in defense though

Well As I said I haven't got GK yet - nearly there and I will gear him up when I have him.

I tested the squad I mentioned above: Palpatine, Vader, Nihlus, Thrawn & KRU and I only dropped to 10th place. I have had 2 battles so far and am sitting comfortably at 2nd place - its looking promising

"Charlo999;c-1468853" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1468666" wrote:
Despite his pretaunt, shore is too easy to shut down.
Dispel his taunt or stun him and EP is a sitting duck for 4 turns.
I think he would be much better with another tank.

Not really since losing buffs drops taunts cooldown. Your looking at a 1 turn wait max, make him fast and with the tm gain from EPs lead he’s top tank.
Also thrawn can tm swap and cleanse him.

@Charlo999
I think you have missed the point that the OP is talking about a lineup to hold well defensively.

So on offense, my thrawn will fracture shoretropper.

As for thrawn, he is faster than shore, so he is either already fractured someone or has tm swapped with someone. I have never seen thrawns AI use his basic as his first move.

"DedrickRogue;c-1468973" wrote:

"Mobewan;c-1468797" wrote:
@DedrickRogue
jtr swipe and r2 stun happen alot more than thrawn can tm swap. Furthermore, many jtr run thrawn as well.

At least if it's gk, he still gives crit immunity if he's incapacitated.

Ive seen both being used, and gk is defititely harder to deal with.

If R2 wants to use a basic on shore instead of stealthing turn 1, more power to him. It’s certainly not going to happen on D though, and is a pretty terrible choice.

If no other buffs touch him, Shore can Regroup every other turn. That’s not quite GK picking up taunt constantly, but it’s certainly not “a sitting duck for 4 turns.”

Plus he feeds Empire TM, has a group heal built into his taunt, passive self-heal, and also spreads Crit Immunity.

I’m not arguing that GK can’t be effective in Palp-Vader squads, I’m disagreeing with this.....

"Mobewan;c-1468666" wrote:
Despite his pretaunt, shore is too easy to shut down.
Dispel his taunt or stun him and EP is a sitting duck for 4 turns.

...because it is factually incorrect.

Shore is a great tank, probably the best overal DS tank. GK is a great tank, probably the best overal LS tank. Against certain opponents GK might be better in that squad, it’s a testament to his kit that he can even be dropped into that squad and do well; but he’s certainly not better vs everyone, and much like GK he brings things to the table that the other can’t do.

@DedrickRogue

Noone can help shoretrooper if he is fractured by the enemy thrawn's first move.

GK still hands out crit immunity while fractured.

I completely agree that shore is the best DS tank, but except against nightsisters, i find gk to be tougher on defense than shore.

OP was talking about defense, and fracture shoretrooper would be move #1

I prefer shore and gk together.
That forces me to fracture GK and disable shore while keeping thrawn tm swap in mind.
Much more tricky

Whereas:

Shore alone, fracture shore (no crit immunity)

GK alone, fracture GK, buff immunity on someone to kill without thrawn tm swap

I actually use cls, han, thrawn, chaze agai st empire and nightsisters. Stun vader, ten up, and so on

While i have no problem with 2 tanks, yhe jtr teams on my shard are having difficulty figuring out a kill order.

In my shard, there are only 2x NS squads in the top 20, and I switch to my Imperial Trooper team to decimate them in about 40 seconds flat.

I've switched my mods around a little and have now got the following:

• zzThrawn - 276 Speed (lowered him a little to beef Vader up)
  
• zzVader - 254 Speed / 55% Potency
  
• zzPalp - 229 Speed / 31k Prot / 48% Potency
  
• Nihlus - 223 Speed
  
• KRU - 239 Speed / 53k Prot
  

Just wondering if 48% Potency on Palpatine is enough? I also placed my spare Zeta on Palpatines Unique.

Will see how I hold overnight!

My next aim is to get a Zeta for Nihlus or KRU

@Charlo999
The point wasnt about my team, the point was about jtr teams. I brought my team as an example at the very end of how shore can be prevented even with 2 tanks. I told you i use chaze, lol...stun vader, tenacity up. No debuffs, no stuns, nothing....except tarkin, unless i stop him first. You must not fight empire teams it seems, because vader is fastest, so he comes out of stun before thrawns turn. The ai thrawn will never give tm to vader.

Furthermore, you again are talking about offense when the OP was talking about defense. Even on offense, you are wrong, your thrawn goes before shoretrooper. You think if i am on offense i will debuff shore before your thrawn uses his abilities? If so, reread what i wrote earlier.

Finally, JTR doesnt need to stun vader. R2 gives evasion to GK and your team gets no TM. And if i used JTR against yoyr shore team, i bring in thrawn to fracture your shore before he gets a turn.

Shore is the easiest tank to get around if you have thrawn.

I am rrying to help the OP build a better team based on what i have faced in arena.

Omg dude.
OP wants better defense.

Shore fractured = no crit immunity = EP dead faster
GK fractured = crit immunity

This isnt about what toons you love or hate.
I love them all if they get the job done.

@DedrickRogue
Stop making this personal.
You are not being objective.

What i run against certain teams has nothing to do with how good shore is compared to gk on an empire team for defense.

And you must know these empire or tank skills very well....against EP lead, gk cleanse is a huge liability on defense. Chaze is very good against them. Lol, you criticize me

@Mobewan
Now your changing it to jtr teams.
With who? Thrawn and gk?
Thing is you have to deal with 4 debuffers.
Jtr can’t lock them all down with the tank. I find jtr easy.

As for your chase team. How is tenancy up gonna happen if he’s debuff locked or -1 cooldowns? It’s just a case of speed and rng at that point.
And I don’t know how you would target thrawn If shore was taunting.

It makes no odds at this point apart from mods and rng and AI.
Dude there is no team that holds def.

Shore is just a better all round tank in an empire squad.