LV/Maul [MERGE]

"Kyno;c-2309373" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2309364" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2309338" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2309334" wrote:
Still the worst GL to date. Huge investment, and easily countered. Now that kyno is confirming WAI, makes it that much worse. Spend your resources elsewhere unless you have nothing else to do.

I am confirming that the AI is not hard coded to target CAT. It's not, and that doesnt seem to be a solution to anyone's problems.

Everyone knows it’s not coded that way. But you said WAI. Meaning it’s working as intended….walking that back?

Sorry, I misread what they were asking for WAI. Thought the discussion was targeting, not CD increase. Would need more than screen shots to being this up, but I can ask. The CD increase should be always there if Maul has 5 stacks

So the developers do not want maul targeting cat every time? Even though mk targets cat every time?

"Clphenom;c-2309386" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2309373" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2309364" wrote:

"Kyno;c-2309338" wrote:

"zatchy;c-2309334" wrote:
Still the worst GL to date. Huge investment, and easily countered. Now that kyno is confirming WAI, makes it that much worse. Spend your resources elsewhere unless you have nothing else to do.

I am confirming that the AI is not hard coded to target CAT. It's not, and that doesnt seem to be a solution to anyone's problems.

Everyone knows it’s not coded that way. But you said WAI. Meaning it’s working as intended….walking that back?

Sorry, I misread what they were asking for WAI. Thought the discussion was targeting, not CD increase. Would need more than screen shots to being this up, but I can ask. The CD increase should be always there if Maul has 5 stacks

So the developers do not want maul targeting cat every time? Even though mk targets cat every time?

It would make autoing LV too hard

I don’t think Vader winning on offense is the issue.

Right now you have a mediocre to poor defensive team. A character who has little value in raids.

So effectively for the steepest requirements for a GL, and 2+ month wait for Maul, you have maybe the worst or 2nd worst GL?

Basically the investment does not equal the reward. I’m not saying this team shouldn’t lose to JMK, but I’m saying that the poor AI decision making, making it even easier for JMK to win, is dumb.

Thus if players have a choice as to which GL they want to farm too, I’m saying 100% avoid Lord Vader. Highest resource allocation for a tune that is basically great in TB’s and offense.

He can’t really under dog teams in GAC. He’s not great in raids. He’s not amazing on defense….

@CG_Doja_Fett_MINI are the devs aware of how LV Is heavily underperforming?

"Sithlords_Inc;c-2309445" wrote:
Yeah LV has his moments, but I think the issue is that Kenobi can just turn his brain off and still beat LV easily, whereas Vader needs specific strategies + a little bit of RNG to beat Kenobi before the timer runs out. If anything LV + Maul feels like a slightly better JML team. Hell, swap LVs ultimate for a slightly adjusted JML ult and hed be 10 times better.

That would certainly be one improvement. What I would love to see is Ashes of the Republic turning all LV's debuffs into locked versions. Ulting first and popping off a mega Unshackled is amazing until JMK ults and just cleanses everyone.

"Sithlords_Inc;c-2309450" wrote:

"SemiGod;c-2309444" wrote:
@CG_Doja_Fett_MINI are the devs aware of how LV Is heavily underperforming?

Sadly I think they will give us the SEE-treatment.

It’s 50/50 tbh

CG made SEE garbage but made SLKR op in their respective times

"Sithlords_Inc;c-2309450" wrote:

"SemiGod;c-2309444" wrote:
@CG_Doja_Fett_MINI are the devs aware of how LV Is heavily underperforming?

Sadly I think they will give us the SEE-treatment.

I agree… tag the devs a million times, get no reply until 3 months in when they say he’s WAI… only this time the investment is so much more

Those who skipped JMK and went for LV got the short end of the stick that’s for sure.

I will post details later as I’m at work but I just snuck on and did an arena battle before payout… my SEE team which consists of R7 SEE, Triumvirate and a R5 Wat beat a R8 LV, Maul, DV, RG and R9 Piett. It honestly wasn’t a very hard battle and I’ll go through it in detail how I did it when I have time as well as post my SWGOH profile to see my team but yeah… even SEE with triumvirate beats him… the longest thing was taking LV himself down at the end but… not good, not good at all!

currently lv while is a very strong gl, the addition of maul does not make him flouish that much, teams that beat him before still beat him with no problem. Currently while lv is more expensive and newer than jmk, his defense viability is not really on par with jmk cat even with maul; and even with the introduction of maul, the offensive and defensive viability has little to no change at all for lord vader. Here is the analysis:
JML VS LV MAUL
https://youtu.be/xN0noFwuc7E
https://youtu.be/Xt-qvLr06Dw
as you can see no matter if it is the jedi titans or other a- to b+ jedi jml still beats lv quite easily
REY VS LV MAUL
we have received reports that a rey comp is already found in the top guilds that can auto lv maul
moreover the same comp that beats lv also beats lv maul with around same difficultly
SLKR VS LV MAUL
same as rey, the same comp of slkr that beats lv also beats lv maul with similar difficultly, namely slkr wat armoer+2,in 3v3, slkr wat also duo lv and lv maul reliably
SEE VS LV MAUL
see already timeout vs lv wo maul, no difference here, just get darth vader out and no see comp would beat lv
JMK VS LV MAUL
again the same comp which beats lv also beats lv maul around the same difficulty, there are also reports that show jmk cat autoing lv maul,cat and gas are also shown not required or even mandatory for jmk to beat lv maul
lv vs lv maul
https://youtu.be/QzSuT2wHsdA
as you can see lv wo maul still has a easy time vs lv maul

Conclusion: maul doesn't really improve lv defensive viability, in fact every counter working vs lv now still works vs lv maul, while I am not advocating lv to be unbeatbale or whatever as some may claim to be,I do want maul to make the existing counters to lv harder by a degree like cat to jmk.
Extra notes: slkr reduces lv side toons mastery to negative and lv absorbs the negative mastery with the ultimate. On the other hand, jmk specifically has a clause that prevents him from absorbing mastery if the ally's mastery is below 0,a same clause would be greatly appreciated as it not only affects lv vs slkr but also performance in cpit
Futhermore, this has been suggested before, but I'll say it again,a touchup to lv ashes of the republic making the debuffs applied undispellable while aotr is activated would be great,and the AI of lv ,maul,dv ,piett,gideon can be improved,a improve of ai under lv lead like cat shien under jmk and toons targeting under jmk would be welcomed, especially maul hard targeting cat,thanks for reading
PS. kyno ,pls keep it in general discussion and not in arena and character strategy,also sorry for the inconvenience caused and the repetition of lv/maul post in arena section, may you kindly merge these two posts together and leave t in general,many thx