Nihilus lead is very underwhelming.

"NicWester;925639" wrote:

"Drax_77;925620" wrote:

"Olddumper;925611" wrote:

"C_Man101;925601" wrote:

"NicolBolas;925574" wrote:
Vader is a hard counter for Nihilus.

Nihilus teams are slow (no speed boost) wherease Vader can remove TM using TFP/Sid and then immediately land a whole bunch of DoTs using Vader/Sid. You cannot cleanse Vader's DoTs so Nihilus teams will be sitting there bleeding to death. Nihilus will not be able to last 8 turns to annihilate Vader when there are 5 DoTs on him.

but what makes you think people are going to wait 8 turns? im pretty sure people will run vader b2 or any heavy debuffer so he can use his 1 shot

sure you can make him bleed but by his next turn he should have his 1 shot so vader dies on his next turn

Let's tally this up before he moves he will like take 3 dots and expose from Sid 3 more dots from zader and stun from EP. That is 50 percent health gone (for the whole team) before they move. It's a huge hole to start from.

You aren't taking into account he has a pretty decent tenacity, using him in gw I noticed my whole team getting nailed with force choke, look up at Nihilus, not one dot landed, yes over the period of several matches he did get hit with a few negative status effects but he resisted more than he got hit with, and I didn't mod him for tenacity.

Tenacity mods might help here.

I'm neutral on Nihilus. I think he's such a radically different character that he's a round peg people are trying to stick into a square hole meta. No protection, no crits, a reliance on self-heals--all this flies in the face of the current meta: Be as fast as you can, crit as hard as you can, healing is for dummies.

Nihilus and other new characters are also pointing towards some possibly larger trends: First Order Officer and Jyn (and Jedi Consular and Plo Koon in ship battles) can target their beneficial effects. Sith Assassin can ignore protection. Boba Fett can ignore taunts. Individually all these things are interesting but not too big because they're all on characters you don't see very often or used in corner case scenarios. But this could signal a sea change in how we play the game in the next months depending on what else gets released.

So maybe Nihilus is bad right now, or maybe he's good right now and we're using him in the wrong way, or maybe he's okay now but needs to be judged within the context of the next generation of characters.

I agree, making a sith team with nihilus lead and modding for tenacity or offense instead of the normal crit dmg/chance and speed may very well change some things, along with his health steal I think if a team is put together well with the right mods his leadership could he very handy, better than zeta maul? Probably not, only time will tell it's still very early to judge whether he's good or bad imo.