NS Initiate or Acolyte

"Teague;c-1327112" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327106" wrote:
Drop Talia? Her cleanse is pretty handy and she actually puts out some decent damage now. Her heal attack is also really helpful. But I guess I see your point with the zombie. Wonder how many stars we will be able to get her to without packs.

Zombies deaths are irrelevant. In fact, the more she dies, the stronger Ventress will become. I'm thinking about deliberately keeping Zombie at 1 star, gear 1, level 1.

You'll need at least gear 2 to unlock all her abilities I am sure. You'll want them maxed too I would think so we're talking level 80 to get her pretaunt zeta and revive at full health. Then we'll almost certainly get her at 3*

Her taunt doesn't come back when she revives herself so if she's too weak she won't really work like a tank at all, but either way you're looking at probably 3*, gear 2, level 80 to stick her in.

"Woodroward;c-1327117" wrote:
Yeah Talia's rework does seem to make her a much better character than previously, and I'm sure her heals and cleanses are great.

The problem I see with her is that she kind of runs counter to the most powerful gimmick the night sisters have right now: Revive.

Under a Mother talzin lead dead nightsisters assist the living nightsisters. In order for that to happen, you have to have dead nightsisters. Asaj and Old Daka are getting bonuses for people dying. Zombie and Acolyte create an impenetrable wall of defense together (more or less).

So there's plenty of sources of revival in this comp. Healing is kind of unnecessary... almost gets in the way even. Just remember that buff wipers are your mortal enemies with this comp. If you can take out Baze, Asaji, B2, DT right away, you'll be set.

That's actually a really good point! I just still have that mindset and fear of losing characters! But the more I play around with them the more I see that death is continuous and I come completely back from it.

I have a video on the ns in the aat raid, like you I have been running ns from the start. Acolyte is usually my second on damage next to Asajj. All my ns are at least gl 11 3 are 12, Asajj, Talia and initiate. Check out the video in this section of the forums.

"christopher152003;c-1327845" wrote:
I have a video on the ns in the aat raid, like you I have been running ns from the start. Acolyte is usually my second on damage next to Asajj. All my ns are at least gl 11 3 are 12, Asajj, Talia and initiate. Check out the video in this section of the forums.

Good to see other loyalists! My daka, Initiate, ventress, and Talia are all g12, so giving up Talia for zombie will sadden me a bit. Working on getting Acolyte there now. Even without zombie, she is still doing some pretty good damage, by far better than initiate.

"dreamer05;c-1328562" wrote:

"christopher152003;c-1327845" wrote:
I have a video on the ns in the aat raid, like you I have been running ns from the start. Acolyte is usually my second on damage next to Asajj. All my ns are at least gl 11 3 are 12, Asajj, Talia and initiate. Check out the video in this section of the forums.

Good to see other loyalists! My daka, Initiate, ventress, and Talia are all g12, so giving up Talia for zombie will sadden me a bit. Working on getting Acolyte there now. Even without zombie, she is still doing some pretty good damage, by far better than initiate.

Check this Rancor raid out. Did this last night was surprised to see acolyte do more damage than everyone else, especially Asajj. Asajj is Ventrezz (dual Zeta) and Initiate is zeta'ed. MT is 6* GL 10 almost 11, not zetaed but shes next 11 more to go.

https://i.imgur.com/tR4kTtP.jpg

"Teague;c-1327112" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327106" wrote:
Drop Talia? Her cleanse is pretty handy and she actually puts out some decent damage now. Her heal attack is also really helpful. But I guess I see your point with the zombie. Wonder how many stars we will be able to get her to without packs.

Zombies deaths are irrelevant. In fact, the more she dies, the stronger Ventress will become. I'm thinking about deliberately keeping Zombie at 1 star, gear 1, level 1.

"NicWester;c-1327116" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327031" wrote:
Good points everyone. I don't k now if I'll pony up the money to get Zombie to 7* though after dishing it out for MT. So even without Zombie Acolyte is the way to go? Only concern is that Initiate usually survives almost anything as she is very very tanky.

Stars don't matter. Give her gear, give her mods, use that zombie at 3* and win.

You won't be able to use her in raids then

"Teague;c-1327112" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327106" wrote:
Drop Talia? Her cleanse is pretty handy and she actually puts out some decent damage now. Her heal attack is also really helpful. But I guess I see your point with the zombie. Wonder how many stars we will be able to get her to without packs.

Zombies deaths are irrelevant. In fact, the more she dies, the stronger Ventress will become. I'm thinking about deliberately keeping Zombie at 1 star, gear 1, level 1.

Is this actually correct? Has someone done the sims on this?

"CountPookoo;c-1334198" wrote:

"Teague;c-1327112" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327106" wrote:
Drop Talia? Her cleanse is pretty handy and she actually puts out some decent damage now. Her heal attack is also really helpful. But I guess I see your point with the zombie. Wonder how many stars we will be able to get her to without packs.

Zombies deaths are irrelevant. In fact, the more she dies, the stronger Ventress will become. I'm thinking about deliberately keeping Zombie at 1 star, gear 1, level 1.

Is this actually correct? Has someone done the sims on this?

Not necessary. In order to determine if it is correct, all one would have to do is read the character description. There is no testing necessary.

"ProximaB1_;c-1334529" wrote:

"CountPookoo;c-1334198" wrote:

"Teague;c-1327112" wrote:

"dreamer05;c-1327106" wrote:
Drop Talia? Her cleanse is pretty handy and she actually puts out some decent damage now. Her heal attack is also really helpful. But I guess I see your point with the zombie. Wonder how many stars we will be able to get her to without packs.

Zombies deaths are irrelevant. In fact, the more she dies, the stronger Ventress will become. I'm thinking about deliberately keeping Zombie at 1 star, gear 1, level 1.

Is this actually correct? Has someone done the sims on this?

Not exactly you need her to be good enough to get the ability to taunt from the start of battle. Everything else doesn't improve her much. Mine is gear 10 haven't noticed any advantage with current meta. If someone would go before cls then it would help having a higher geared zombie. She would take hits until cls goes. He breaks her taunt. Currently everyone juices up cls speed so he can give turn meter to the rest of the party. So no benefit right now.

You're misinterpreting the question. They are asking if keeping zombie low enough to die repeatedly will make Asaj hit harder. If zombie dies, she loses buff immunity which means she will auto taunt again at the end of her next turn. In the meantime at 2* G2 should get you all abilities while still letting her die to any AoE, which should lead to her dying a fair amount. So there's no question that this tactic of keeping zombie very weak has its benefits. The only question is whether or not the deaths will give benefits to other zombies:
Asaji:


· Unique · Level 8
Rampage

When any ally or enemy is defeated, Asajj gains 35% Turn Meter, and, gains 15% Offense, 15% Critical Chance, and 5% Max Health (stacking) until the end of the encounter. Asajj has +15 Speed for each enemy with no buffs.


Old Daka:

Unique · Level 8
Serve Again

When another ally is defeated, Old Daka gains 50% Turn Meter and the cooldown of Chant of Resurrection is reduced by 1. When another ally is Revived while Old Daka is active, the Revived ally gains 20% Turn Meter and gains Offense Up and Defense Up for 2 turns, and Old Daka gains +10% Max Health (stacking) until the end of the encounter.


So the question is answered by ability descriptions.

It really depends on how much you are relying on Asaj. I don’t like zombie dying, because it means she isn’t taunting. That means Thrawn can Fracture someone like Talzin or Daka. It means Han can stun someone else. It means CLS can remove TM and give buff immunity or stun someone else. I personally want Zombie absorbing at least some of those blows. So I want max tenacity and speed on her.