Sith Eternal Emperor Soloed By SLKR?

"Shiryu;c-2180825" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-2180821" wrote:
I haven’t heard any good things about SEE. This toon seems very disappointing

You haven't heard good things cause there is NO GOOD THINGS about him.

(yes i own SEE)

I have tried every type of mod set, speed seems best.
He throws weak farts at people
His mastery stacking doesn't really do anything
His Protection stealing is below decent at best and very meh any other time.
His deceive is a worse daze... worse cause the daze tm prevention only works against jedi and rebels.
He has no other meaningful debuffs until ult, and while a locked shock is nice, the damage on his new basic is just as bad as his thrown farts.
He loses basically all survival options when he ults, along with being able to deceive targets and get his speed up.
His kit contradicts ALL sith design. Malak cant be crit, thus cant fear and taunt, cause linked targets cant crit malak. sion cant revive (his mechanic to justify his weaker tanking stats). ALL sith have some sort of health recovery or altering effects... and yet SEE recovers all their protection? Retribution is... ok? sorta? Why do sith have retribution when SEE was all about that deception?

He's bad. plain and simple. and i dare ANY dev to come in here and tell me otherwise. i have spent way to much of MY TIME, and CRYSTALS testing him to come to any other conclusion.

This crap seep team beats that full jedi squad

"thedrjojo;c-2180843" wrote:

"Shiryu;c-2180825" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-2180821" wrote:
I haven’t heard any good things about SEE. This toon seems very disappointing

You haven't heard good things cause there is NO GOOD THINGS about him.

(yes i own SEE)

I have tried every type of mod set, speed seems best.
He throws weak farts at people
His mastery stacking doesn't really do anything
His Protection stealing is below decent at best and very meh any other time.
His deceive is a worse daze... worse cause the daze tm prevention only works against jedi and rebels.
He has no other meaningful debuffs until ult, and while a locked shock is nice, the damage on his new basic is just as bad as his thrown farts.
He loses basically all survival options when he ults, along with being able to deceive targets and get his speed up.
His kit contradicts ALL sith design. Malak cant be crit, thus cant fear and taunt, cause linked targets cant crit malak. sion cant revive (his mechanic to justify his weaker tanking stats). ALL sith have some sort of health recovery or altering effects... and yet SEE recovers all their protection? Retribution is... ok? sorta? Why do sith have retribution when SEE was all about that deception?

He's bad. plain and simple. and i dare ANY dev to come in here and tell me otherwise. i have spent way to much of MY TIME, and CRYSTALS testing him to come to any other conclusion.

This crap seep team beats that full jedi squad

Ok... cool? So what if he is good against JML? This argument is the equivalent of if when GAS was destroying SLKR you would have said it was ok because he destroyed other teams. That doesn’t change the fact that his other interactions are still broken and poorly designed.

"Poopfist;c-2180868" wrote:

"thedrjojo;c-2180843" wrote:

"Shiryu;c-2180825" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-2180821" wrote:
I haven’t heard any good things about SEE. This toon seems very disappointing

You haven't heard good things cause there is NO GOOD THINGS about him.

(yes i own SEE)

I have tried every type of mod set, speed seems best.
He throws weak farts at people
His mastery stacking doesn't really do anything
His Protection stealing is below decent at best and very meh any other time.
His deceive is a worse daze... worse cause the daze tm prevention only works against jedi and rebels.
He has no other meaningful debuffs until ult, and while a locked shock is nice, the damage on his new basic is just as bad as his thrown farts.
He loses basically all survival options when he ults, along with being able to deceive targets and get his speed up.
His kit contradicts ALL sith design. Malak cant be crit, thus cant fear and taunt, cause linked targets cant crit malak. sion cant revive (his mechanic to justify his weaker tanking stats). ALL sith have some sort of health recovery or altering effects... and yet SEE recovers all their protection? Retribution is... ok? sorta? Why do sith have retribution when SEE was all about that deception?

He's bad. plain and simple. and i dare ANY dev to come in here and tell me otherwise. i have spent way to much of MY TIME, and CRYSTALS testing him to come to any other conclusion.

This crap seep team beats that full jedi squad

Ok... cool? So what if he is good against JML? This argument is the equivalent of if when GAS was destroying SLKR you would have said it was ok because he destroyed other teams. That doesn’t change the fact that his other interactions are still broken and poorly designed.

Finally someone else gets it. Who cares if SEE can beat JML. He loses HARD to the other two gls and most DS teams walk all over him. Who cares if he can solo gas. GAS is never on defense anymore so thats a mute point.

He's lackluster at best and plain garbage at worst.

Simple way to put it... He's the king of the trash required to get him.

For all the bloat on your roster to get crap characters, that per CG's philosophy will NEVER get a rework or tweaked, he isnt worth it.

Why go for SEE when you can go for JML and get a rebel team that shits all over GAS anyway? while getting JKL that basically beats almost any non GL team with ease.

"Shiryu;c-2180869" wrote:

"Poopfist;c-2180868" wrote:

"thedrjojo;c-2180843" wrote:

"Shiryu;c-2180825" wrote:

"vincentlondon;c-2180821" wrote:
I haven’t heard any good things about SEE. This toon seems very disappointing

You haven't heard good things cause there is NO GOOD THINGS about him.

(yes i own SEE)

I have tried every type of mod set, speed seems best.
He throws weak farts at people
His mastery stacking doesn't really do anything
His Protection stealing is below decent at best and very meh any other time.
His deceive is a worse daze... worse cause the daze tm prevention only works against jedi and rebels.
He has no other meaningful debuffs until ult, and while a locked shock is nice, the damage on his new basic is just as bad as his thrown farts.
He loses basically all survival options when he ults, along with being able to deceive targets and get his speed up.
His kit contradicts ALL sith design. Malak cant be crit, thus cant fear and taunt, cause linked targets cant crit malak. sion cant revive (his mechanic to justify his weaker tanking stats). ALL sith have some sort of health recovery or altering effects... and yet SEE recovers all their protection? Retribution is... ok? sorta? Why do sith have retribution when SEE was all about that deception?

He's bad. plain and simple. and i dare ANY dev to come in here and tell me otherwise. i have spent way to much of MY TIME, and CRYSTALS testing him to come to any other conclusion.

This crap seep team **** all over that full jedi squad

Ok... cool? So what if he is good against JML? This argument is the equivalent of if when GAS was destroying SLKR you would have said it was ok because he destroyed other teams. That doesn’t change the fact that his other interactions are still broken and poorly designed.

GAS is never on defense anymore so thats a mute point.

You guys are missing out then. GAS ranks #1 on swgoh.gg in fewest banners per win on defense. But this will probably fall on deaf ears, making it a mute point too... ?

So what high tier TW's do you see GAS on defense in? None? cool.

"Bulldog1205;c-2180872" wrote:

You guys are missing out then. GAS ranks #1 on swgoh.gg in fewest banners per win on defense. But this will probably fall on deaf ears, making it a mute point too... ?

Nice vid on that vader counter to single tank SLKR with SEE just standing there. Such a high banner win!

Yeah, if you put GAS on defense you’re doing something wrong, but once again, this is not the point. I don’t care about GAS. I care about Kylo being able to solo one of the new GL’s

"scuba;c-2180761" wrote:

Don't attack Kylo with him. God forbid someone would actually have to use multiple teams to climb in arena.

All the criticisms of SEE kit in practice are correct. I anticipated the worst reaction to these criticisms, and this is it: the idea that while an old GL should be able to crush every game mode to reward the people who got him first some more, anyone who saved for a Sith GL doesn't get anything and should have to get multiple GLs just to survive in arena.

To quote Dark Lord Anakin: "This is outrageous! It's unfair!"

"dgree;c-2180905" wrote:

"scuba;c-2180761" wrote:

Don't attack Kylo with him. God forbid someone would actually have to use multiple teams to climb in arena.

All the criticisms of SEE kit in practice are correct. I anticipated the worst reaction to these criticisms, and this is it: the idea that while an old GL should be able to crush every game mode to reward the people who got him first some more, anyone who saved for a Sith GL doesn't get anything and should have to get multiple GLs just to survive in arena.

To quote Dark Lord Anakin: "This is outrageous! It's unfair!"

This. 100% this. For the amount of resources needed for SEE, to have him be so lackluster is just heartbreaking. A few simple fixes would go along way. Make his unique Sow Discord hit any enemy, not just LS units. Give deceived targets -50% defense as well as the weaker daze like effect. Have his 2% prot regain from Sow Discord also restore health and hit his SITH allies.
His So be it, Jedi should also restore health as well since every single other sith kit relies on health like mechanics.

(for the record i own SLKR as well and can beat JML with him just by giving him wat's tank tech.)

The irony is that there are multiple Sith teams that *can* counter SLKR fairly reliably, but trying to fit SEE in them will make them worse and sabotage the battle. He's dead weight in a squad that needs 5 useful toons due to SLKR's perma-advantage mechanics, superior stat-stacking, and ability to immediately permastun and disable an enemy at the start of battle.