Sith Eternal Emperor Soloed By SLKR?

And he gets no controlling abilities himself, has no damage, can only make 2 targets not crit, and doesn't really help his allies all to much unlike a team wide range of multiple buffs that the other GL's hand out like candy

when it comes to GLs... SLKR and JML are the best, Rey super close behind and SEE left for dead last and he never even got off the starting line.

"dgree;c-2180910" wrote:
The irony is that there are multiple Sith teams that *can* counter SLKR fairly reliably, but trying to fit SEE in them will make them worse and sabotage the battle. He's dead weight in a squad that needs 5 useful toons due to SLKR's perma-advantage mechanics, superior stat-stacking, and ability to immediately permastun and disable an enemy at the start of battle.

This. And this is one of my complaints about Bulldog’s counter. By putting SEE in the leader slot you’re honestly just making a less effective variation of a better Sith team like Darth Revan.

That's my problem with youtubers. It's all about their views and click baits. Yes I understand they need to make money and that requires views. But still. Maybe a discussion on what we can do to make things better instead of "SEE BEATS SLKR! oh wait it was all vader all along" would be more productive.

Also blind devotion that things are "ok" when multiple SEE owners have come out and said the complete opposite isn't helpful either.

Granted, I have also watched Ahnaldt's SEE ultimate testing vid and by the end he visually looked disappointed. It was subtle but it was definitely there.

That sucks. Well at least people who go for SEE get 60% of an imperial trooper squad...

"Poopfist;c-2180912" wrote:

This. And this is one of my complaints about Bulldog’s counter. By putting SEE in the leader slot you’re honestly just making a less effective variation of a better Sith team like Darth Revan.

You're exactly right about SEE just sabotaging existing counter squads, but to be fair, beyond the clickbaity title, Bulldog does mention this.

The video Bulldog is using from a prominent Sith disc member also is the product of serious work by people with heavy Empire/Sith rosters who know how to use them. And this is the best anyone's come up with.

See teams beat Rey teams, or will when they get see ultimate (I've beaten uRey with see, but it's far from a guarantee). See decimates jml teams. See loses to Slkr teams hard. But slkr gets decimated by jmls. You are complaining about a rock paper scissors and want your new shiny to be a you win button,and that's not how this works. The game is designed now to require multiple GL if not all of them if you want an unstoppable meta. There is no team that is safe and unbeatable. It's what everyone wanted until they didn't want it.

All the gl have off meta counters. They have from the beginning. I've gotten 60 banner battles both against my Rey and against enemy Rey's with vader teams.

Would I like some changes to See's kit so that the 1v5 mechanism gets fixed, yes. Would I love to find a way for my see to beat slkr reliably, yes.

But that above team, I was down to 1v4 seep vs jml, jkl, gas, and Hoda. Seep proceeded to fart on every one of them and make them disappear. I even killed hoda before jml for good measure (and cause his heal was getting annoying). And I'm missing 3 zetas (including the 50% protection recovery on 1st special)

"thedrjojo;c-2180970" wrote:
There is no team that is safe and unbeatable.

Sorry, but this is a strawman. Nobody's saying they "want their new shiny to be a they win button". No one is complaining that SLKR on offense can beat SEE, at all. They just want a new GL to be capable (even if it requires putting together the right squad of high-relic Sith outside of the GL's requirements), of beating an older meta GL. But instead, the only way of beating a normal SLKR squad with Sith is by benching SEE.

But congratulations on your arena battle win. Let me ask: how are you climbing through SLKR walls?

The main thing that is making me upset is that 90% of my arena shard is SLKR. My daily climb won't change much after I unlock SEE in a couple weeks. At least I've gotten really good at the DR counter now...

"scuba;c-2180761" wrote:

"Poopfist;c-2180731" wrote:

"scuba;c-2180714" wrote:
Don't put SEE on defense

It doesn’t matter, he loses to Kylo on offense too

Don't attack Kylo with him. God forbid someone would actually have to use multiple teams to climb in arena.

God forbid people would wait and see how good the GL's are before making such a steep investment of resources.

"Shiryu;c-2180873" wrote:
So what high tier TW's do you see GAS on defense in? None? cool.

I see plenty of GASs in D in TW between top 10 guilds. I would consider those TWs are top end. Just ask your friends in those top guilds.