Disclosure: I've finished 1st in Fleet every day for a while (Top 3 for a long time), so this isn't a "it's too hard so change it" kind of post. Also, I have exactly 3 good Rebels ships, so if CG listens to me, I'm screwed lolI'm not a fan of the current Ackbar/Falcon meta. Mace time-out was dumb and annoying, but at least it was a well-developed strategy, and you had to bring a well-developed counter. However, the Ackbar/Falcon teams are waaaay too RNG dependent imo. Doesn't matter how much better your crew members and ships are, if Falcon doesn't assist a whole lot, you lose. If it assists most of the time, you win. I've lost 4v2 battles, and won 2v4 battles simply because RNG decided I should. I'm not a fan of RNG. I know it's how CG makes all their money, but it's lame when you've crafted this great strategy, or worked hard perfecting your toons, then it all goes to pieces because of "chance".

Yeah, Mace timeout was kitten but it required great investment and utilizing all your ships to beef up your defense. Rebel is just RNG fest to a RNG arena and anyone who whaled on a falcon can climb to the top. With Mace, if you weren't laser focused on ships you wouldn't climb at all

Well I've taken first in fleet since almost the day I started through several different metas and I for one love the falcon....sometimes I switch back to thrawn and the bh meta just to change it up but if I leave a fleet on defense it's my go to Home 1 with HT, XB and HMF as my starting 3 and I have not lost a spot on defense since I switched....its not really as rng dependant as you think as even if han fails to assist most of the time it's still simple to roll through a lineup with the buff cleanse from HMF. XB keeps hound taunting and ackbar keeps HT healthy

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.

"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profit

"gflegui;c-1763894" wrote:Only if your Home one is slower than your enemy... otherwise I think the best starter is to drop the massive attack and with some luck you kill a ship. "Kyno;c-1763880" wrote:"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profitExactly. Cleanse is a terrible idea instead of calling at least 2 assists under ackbar. I agree with op. Ive always been 1st at po, but it indeed is annoying that some days i win 5 out of 5 , then on another days, lose 2 in a row before winning 3 in a row..

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Nikoms565
6 years ago
"DocDoom;c-1765232" wrote:
A lot of this would be solved by doing what many have been asking for a long time before the Falcon came along: Put out some more ships (especially capitals).

Instead of there being one "Have this or you won't be competitive" setup, there could be more of a rock-paper-scissors scenario: Ackbar with Falcon now trumps the Thrawn/HT routine, but wait! A Grievous cap-ship leading seppies turns out to play to the Rebels' weakness. Meanwhile, Hux's cap-ship leading FO has an advantage over Grievous, Holdo's cap-ship and Resistance beats Hux, Thrawn is the antidote to Holdo, etc.

This. Unlike squad arena, ship arena is rock v. rock v. rock. Fleet has always been that way - but when it was 5v5 strategy trumped RNG. Since ships 2.0, RNG has become the determining factor (along with who has whatever CG has decided is the biggest rock).
7AnimalMother
6 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1765241" wrote:
"DocDoom;c-1765232" wrote:
A lot of this would be solved by doing what many have been asking for a long time before the Falcon came along: Put out some more ships (especially capitals).

Instead of there being one "Have this or you won't be competitive" setup, there could be more of a rock-paper-scissors scenario: Ackbar with Falcon now trumps the Thrawn/HT routine, but wait! A Grievous cap-ship leading seppies turns out to play to the Rebels' weakness. Meanwhile, Hux's cap-ship leading FO has an advantage over Grievous, Holdo's cap-ship and Resistance beats Hux, Thrawn is the antidote to Holdo, etc.

This. Unlike squad arena, ship arena is rock v. rock v. rock. Fleet has always been that way - but when it was 5v5 strategy trumped RNG. Since ships 2.0, RNG has become the determining factor (along with who has whatever CG has decided is the biggest rock).

I think a lot of people here are ignoring that there are lineups that allow for complete elimination of RNG by killing the falcon before it moves (or if its being used, HT taunts). Granted those lineups would fall like rocks if left in on defense.
GifafiTho
6 years ago
FA is the best it's ever been
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1765218" wrote:
..Honestly, if CG wants to fix what's wrong with fleet, they just need to watch Ahnald's vid on fleet being the worst game mode (which 65% of the people who voted in his poll agree with, BTW)...

A poll put on by a youtuber, to his followers, and the majority agree with him? That's surely a fair and unbiased result.
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765296" wrote:
"Zvezda;c-1765196" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1765067" wrote:
I started playing just before ships 2.0 came out. I remember everyone complaining that it all came down to RNG since everyone had maxed out ships with the same starters and it was a coin flip who went first. Now if you invest in the right ships/reinforcements you can eliminate that coin flip. If not then yeah it is a coin flip.

Nope ... RNG is wild even with curent META! So your point is unsusta
inable

Because there aren’t any ships like Cassian’s who removes all buffs and makes the new Falcon a sitting duck.

Unless of course their HT landed breach, despite decreased potency from Ghost or increased tenacity from a non-stealthed non-taunting HT, or you do get timing right on the Cassian RI but don't get an assist off of the Falcon's basic..or it dodges, or it dodges twice...or you appropriately put defense down on Biggs but he dodged too, again, for the third time that match, only to have Phantom and Cassian inflict target lock then AA heal, so a nearly dead Biggs is now back to full health, with Advantage....the list goes on.
wesmay4367
6 years ago
"Nikoms565;c-1765218" wrote:
At this point, fleet arena is boring (which it has been for a LONG time). The issue is only made worse by the fact that CG's only response to enhance fleet is to directly manipulate the meta by releasing a small number of new OP ships every few months (First it was Chim, then HT, now HMF).

Honestly, if CG wants to fix what's wrong with fleet, they just need to watch Ahnald's vid on fleet being the worst game mode (which 65% of the people who voted in his poll agree with, BTW). Either fix fleet or jettison it. It's a disaster - and it's too bad, because when they first launched it, I loved fleet.

Only people who dont like fleet are the ones who failed to invest into it. I for one love fleet and it ranks towards the top of my favorite modes in the game
Nikoms565
6 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1765328" wrote:
"Nikoms565;c-1765218" wrote:
..Honestly, if CG wants to fix what's wrong with fleet, they just need to watch Ahnald's vid on fleet being the worst game mode (which 65% of the people who voted in his poll agree with, BTW)...

A poll put on by a youtuber, to his followers, and the majority agree with him? That's surely a fair and unbiased result.

Start a poll here then. You might be surprised at how much the results are similar to Ahnald's.

I find at amusing that people like to cast aspersions on small sample size or bias in any poll that's done...and then complain about drop rate conspiracy because their drops for *whatever character they're farming* just went 0 for 12.
Vaderizer
Seasoned Newcomer
6 years ago
I'll say it every time - if you hate fleet arena, it's because you don't bother to read ability descriptions and can't figure out why you're getting rofl'd by a seemingly-inferior opponent.

Admittedly the Falcon is a little bonkers, but I'm not crying for a nerf to it. I'ma just build up my rebels.
KneelB4Doom
6 years ago
The best thing about toons/ships like the Falcon is how incredibly nice it feels when you figure out a way to beat them.
Mephisto_style
6 years ago
"Gorem;c-1766576" wrote:
I feel like they don't know what they are doing with ships, but are trying to make as much money as they can out of it. Releasing a really much to strong ship then it should be gained with ships that never even fought it in the first place and not ships that it fought all the time like TFP, that includes rng ontop of RNG. The last thing ships needed was more RNG but that's exactly what they went and did with Falcon.

Mirror matches with falcon, its still rng if you win or not. Skill doesn't factor into your falcon doing the 50% assist or not. You fight the same guy twice, one time all your ships die and you kill nothing, the next time, all his ships die and none of yours do.

This RNG has existed since 2.0 came out and its only gotten worse. Only now you have to have Falcon or that top spot you've kept for the past year doesn't matter anymore. We've all been funnelled into the same ships and I dislike it. Before Falcon I saw Geo's, I saw Silencers, I saw Vaders and biggs, I saw even ghost/phantom startings, I saw variety after variety, now, everyone is going to be the same and it is disappointing.

No. They are not trying to make as much money as they can out of it.