Disclosure: I've finished 1st in Fleet every day for a while (Top 3 for a long time), so this isn't a "it's too hard so change it" kind of post. Also, I have exactly 3 good Rebels ships, so if CG listens to me, I'm screwed lolI'm not a fan of the current Ackbar/Falcon meta. Mace time-out was dumb and annoying, but at least it was a well-developed strategy, and you had to bring a well-developed counter. However, the Ackbar/Falcon teams are waaaay too RNG dependent imo. Doesn't matter how much better your crew members and ships are, if Falcon doesn't assist a whole lot, you lose. If it assists most of the time, you win. I've lost 4v2 battles, and won 2v4 battles simply because RNG decided I should. I'm not a fan of RNG. I know it's how CG makes all their money, but it's lame when you've crafted this great strategy, or worked hard perfecting your toons, then it all goes to pieces because of "chance".

Yeah, Mace timeout was kitten but it required great investment and utilizing all your ships to beef up your defense. Rebel is just RNG fest to a RNG arena and anyone who whaled on a falcon can climb to the top. With Mace, if you weren't laser focused on ships you wouldn't climb at all

Well I've taken first in fleet since almost the day I started through several different metas and I for one love the falcon....sometimes I switch back to thrawn and the bh meta just to change it up but if I leave a fleet on defense it's my go to Home 1 with HT, XB and HMF as my starting 3 and I have not lost a spot on defense since I switched....its not really as rng dependant as you think as even if han fails to assist most of the time it's still simple to roll through a lineup with the buff cleanse from HMF. XB keeps hound taunting and ackbar keeps HT healthy

"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.

"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profit

"gflegui;c-1763894" wrote:Only if your Home one is slower than your enemy... otherwise I think the best starter is to drop the massive attack and with some luck you kill a ship. "Kyno;c-1763880" wrote:"John_Matrix1985;c-1763780" wrote:"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1763775" wrote:I finish #1 in fleet arena every day. It’s getting harder. I had a huge advantage with a 7* G12.5 Ackbar. Now I’m either going to have to gear up Bistans ship or use Cassian as a reinforcement.You use Cassian as a reinforcement and you can take out the Falcon easily I’ve Head. I just don’t have that ship developed enough yet. Worst case scenario I settle for second or try a few various ship lineups like using the silencer.All that to say, it’s not an RNG feat if you have the right tools. If you develop the right tools... like Cassian you can win every time. Yeah cassian reinforcement is the go-to tactic. But need to make sure none of your ships have breach first.1- first AA move, cleanse breach. 2- second AA move, cassian reinforcement3- kill HMF4-????5- profitExactly. Cleanse is a terrible idea instead of calling at least 2 assists under ackbar. I agree with op. Ive always been 1st at po, but it indeed is annoying that some days i win 5 out of 5 , then on another days, lose 2 in a row before winning 3 in a row..

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Goremise
6 years ago
"Gamorrean;c-1766939" wrote:
"Fauztin;c-1766934" wrote:
Moved to arena/character strategy

How is this thread a strategy??? Its a complaint
Edit: I mean feedback :)

Better not say that word here! That's how you get ignored on these forums! lol.
Feedback? Nah we just a bunch of people who hate on other peoples opinions on the matter of things, we can't handle facts! :o

So many people hate ships, but that's something people will pretend doesn't exist.
We try and make ships better by trying to get them to remove the RNG that exists, and people pretend like RNG doesn't exist so they add more! :o

But seriously though, nothing they have done since ships 2.0 has made ships better. Marque ship after marque ship that just serves to make TB ship platoons impossible to complete is not how we should have gotten new ships. All the new ships should have been placed into the fleet store in just one big bunch. They should just add like 30 ships at once there. Just go all out. Let us have fun in ships again and not this slow release of BH ships that has led to a op falcon rng I win all the time on auto ship. Also a ship raid would be great. Just something to make ships not the most hated part about this game.
ARC-CaptainRex
6 years ago
"Gamorrean;c-1766939" wrote:
"Fauztin;c-1766934" wrote:
Moved to arena/character strategy

How is this thread a strategy??? Its a complaint
Edit: I mean feedback :)

Yup. Today I beat Falcon, Phantom, Ghost, and HT with just my Falcon and Bistan, because Falcon assisted every time. I should have lost.
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1766472" wrote:
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1766445" wrote:

@JediKnight_MarkRyan Regardless of having the fastest Home One on the shard, being able to reinforce with Cassian or all of the other painfully obvious "strategic" counter measures that can be employed in the current meta, it's an RNG fest that is largely dictated by how many times rebel ships assist off one another, whether or not they crit when, whether or not breach gets resisted, or how likely it is that one of those elusive tanks will dodge at an in/opportune time.

The fact that you fell from 1 to 3 tells me nothing other than you are fortunate enough to be in a ship shard that has no idea what it's doing or you decided to "invest in ships" by taking a faction that is marginally useful in end-game and over invest in it (Phoenix) or were prescient enough to get BH ships to 7*. An swgoh.gg profile will go a long way towards bolstering your argument.

And here's what I mean by RNG dependent. AA / HT / HMF / Ghost (faster AA) vs AA / HT / HMF / Biggs (slower AA). First match after opening round, Ghost dead, breached while opposing breach resisted. Second match after opening round, Biggs dead no breach while opposing HT breached. RANDOM.

Cleanse breach and grant advantage using AA. That gives you guaranteed Crits. It’s pretty obvious that the next Meta will introduce a mass daze and prevent all of the assists from occurring. Which do you enjoy more... Maces time-out team that took 5+ minutes or a more RNG meta?

And last of all there are always control pieces that reduce/eliminate Being at the mercy of RNG. Go find them and use them.

I fall from 1 to 3 in fleet because 1. My shard is 11 months old and 2. I invested heavily in ships since day 1.

Ah, still a padawan, you are. The rest of your shard will catch up eventually, there's only so many pilots to upgrade.

I outlined two different outcomes from the same set of opening moves. The only difference was the randomness associated with critical hits and assists. Blathering on about cleansing breach is pointless since nobody had a breach to cleanse and AA had only gone once. I'm actually not sure how you're running matches where AA is not the first or second to get a turn.

How about an swgoh.gg profile to illuminate us all with your master tactics?
ApolloRyan
6 years ago

"cannonfodder_iv;c-1768084" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1766472" wrote:
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1766445" wrote:

@JediKnight_MarkRyan Regardless of having the fastest Home One on the shard, being able to reinforce with Cassian or all of the other painfully obvious "strategic" counter measures that can be employed in the current meta, it's an RNG fest that is largely dictated by how many times rebel ships assist off one another, whether or not they crit when, whether or not breach gets resisted, or how likely it is that one of those elusive tanks will dodge at an in/opportune time.

The fact that you fell from 1 to 3 tells me nothing other than you are fortunate enough to be in a ship shard that has no idea what it's doing or you decided to "invest in ships" by taking a faction that is marginally useful in end-game and over invest in it (Phoenix) or were prescient enough to get BH ships to 7*. An swgoh.gg profile will go a long way towards bolstering your argument.

And here's what I mean by RNG dependent. AA / HT / HMF / Ghost (faster AA) vs AA / HT / HMF / Biggs (slower AA). First match after opening round, Ghost dead, breached while opposing breach resisted. Second match after opening round, Biggs dead no breach while opposing HT breached. RANDOM.

Cleanse breach and grant advantage using AA. That gives you guaranteed Crits. It’s pretty obvious that the next Meta will introduce a mass daze and prevent all of the assists from occurring. Which do you enjoy more... Maces time-out team that took 5+ minutes or a more RNG meta?

And last of all there are always control pieces that reduce/eliminate Being at the mercy of RNG. Go find them and use them.

I fall from 1 to 3 in fleet because 1. My shard is 11 months old and 2. I invested heavily in ships since day 1.

Ah, still a padawan, you are. The rest of your shard will catch up eventually, there's only so many pilots to upgrade.

I outlined two different outcomes from the same set of opening moves. The only difference was the randomness associated with critical hits and assists. Blathering on about cleansing breach is pointless since nobody had a breach to cleanse and AA had only gone once. I'm actually not sure how you're running matches where AA is not the first or second to get a turn.

How about an swgoh.gg profile to illuminate us all with your master tactics?

Wait a second... your in the middle of crying and belly aching and complaining... and now you’re calling me a padowon?! Lol that’s very cute. Honey, you don’t get a trophy just for showing up. Life takes blood sweat and tears... none of which is required on a mobile game but you don’t get first by just showing up and pressing auto.

Another day st first ?
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago
And still...no swgoh.gg profile...
trystanspyder
6 years ago
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1768723" wrote:

Wait a second... your in the middle of crying and belly aching and complaining... and now you’re calling me a padowon?!...

No - he's calling you a Padawan because, by your own admission, you're in a shard less than a year old. By extension, you've been playing for less than a year against other players who have also been playing for less than a year. In a game that has been out 3+ years. What works on a shard of developing fleets doesn't necessarily hold true in a more mature shard.

The fact that the number 2 guy on your shard is running thrawn and vader really kind of makes his point.
ApolloRyan
6 years ago
"Trystan_Spyder;c-1768977" wrote:
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1768723" wrote:

Wait a second... your in the middle of crying and belly aching and complaining... and now you’re calling me a padowon?!...

No - he's calling you a Padawan because, by your own admission, you're in a shard less than a year old. By extension, you've been playing for less than a year against other players who have also been playing for less than a year. In a game that has been out 3+ years. What works on a shard of developing fleets doesn't necessarily hold true in a more mature shard.

The fact that the number 2 guy on your shard is running thrawn and vader really kind of makes his point.

He has run that lineup from the beginning and Maxed out everything. so that guy ain’t no scrub... and joining the game 2 years in adds a nice new twist as you catch up in certain aspects and never catch up in other aspects. Now I’ll admit you join a day 1 shard and everyone has everything maxed... also means you have a toolbox full of tools but so do a hundred other people. I’m kinda glad I joined a newer shard.
cannonfodder_iv
New Spectator
6 years ago
And still...no swgoh.gg profile...
ApolloRyan
6 years ago
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1769183" wrote:
And still...no swgoh.gg profile...

Pretty soon you’ll be asking for my tax returns ?
GifafiTho
6 years ago
"JediKnight_MarkRyan;c-1769185" wrote:
"cannonfodder_iv;c-1769183" wrote:
And still...no swgoh.gg profile...

Pretty soon you’ll be asking for my tax returns ?

seems the same