Team Droids on Roids...the new Meta?

I've used droids the entire time I've played this game and right now I'm using that team but with HK lead. My IPD is 4* gear 11 but everyone else is gear 12. Right now I'm having trouble beating "titan" teams and RJT, CLS, Han, R2 and GK. I don't know if chopper is better than IG-88 though :/ My biggest problem with those teams is Raid Han and his insanely OP damage as well as his 2 stuns.

"CaptainWhacky;c-1415021" wrote:
Why was this moved to art & media? It's a discussion on arena team combinations? @CG_Kozispoon

Someone got scared and hid it. ;)

Great looking team. I'd love to see the mods that are being used. It's going to take me forever to get ipd there, but I'm motivated now lol.

"CaptainWhacky;c-1415021" wrote:
Why was this moved to art & media? It's a discussion on arena team combinations? @CG_Kozispoon

They wanted to hide the truth lol

"CG_Kozispoon;c-1415083" wrote:


No worries. Nudging you to the right place.

He moved it cause this team is a piece of art

And kylo had a Sith tag.

I have a RJT comp on my shard with Chopper and another with Ben and the Chopper one is mildly more annoying. K2 would be a much bigger pain than either of them because of his taunt on counter attack, which would require one more buff immunity / dispel and it would devalue Baze's AoE dispel (a sneaky useful toon again now that RJT is predominant, please stealth everyone first R2, pretty please). He also provides offense down on his basic, which is really under appreciated when going against damage burst teams like CLS / Han. Since JTR teams become pretty easy once Rey is gone, and fracturing Rey is the easiest and quickest way to do that, having another toon that can prevent that fracture from happening would be very useful, providing more time to get BB-8 rolling, pun intended.

Chopper in the lineup just requires an extra turn to wait to fracture Rey since his taunt doesn't last long. I actually find the teams with a well geared and modded Han tougher, because they have some offense.

"Woodroward;c-1422182" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1422178" wrote:
Stealth, Daze, Fracture, Buff Immunity, Stun - all going to greatly reduce your boy's counter chance and hence his ID reductions.

And will do the same to chopper's id reductions. So they're irrelevant arguments.

You can say they'd do someone else instead... Which means k2 is better.

You're out of your element, Donny.

"Trollsbane;c-1422197" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422195" wrote:

"Trollsbane;c-1422186" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422173" wrote:

"Trollsbane;c-1422144" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422139" wrote:

"Trollsbane;c-1422130" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422060" wrote:
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"Trollsbane;c-1422044" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421853" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1421707" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421432" wrote:

You can disagree all you want. I've watched plenty of videos with Chopper and played against him as well as having played a lot with K2S0... this isn't a theory. Chopper doesn't reduce ID any faster than K2S0 does.

Chopper has 152 base speed and 2 specials, which reduce ID cooldown by # of allies that have secret intel when used (typically this will be 3-5 when Chopper goes after BB-8 and R-2). He also has a 30% assist chance off these very speedy droids, and has a base physical critical rating higher than K-2S0.

Every time he assists, he has a 60% chance to reduce the speedy droid's CD's by 1 (which applies to their specials AND illuminated destiny).

You're wrong. Trollsbane is right. Unsurprisingly.

Let's do some math here. 30% chance to assist means less than1 in 3 attacks he assists. 60% chance to reduce CDs means roughly half the time he reduces CDs. 4 droids means 1 in 4 assists he reduces ID CD. So roughly 1 out of every 24 speedy Droid attacks will reduce ID CD.

A less than 1 in 3 chance to assist means speedy droids would have to take 3 turns to the enemies 1 for chopper to attack out of turn more than k2 (they don't by the way)

Chopper does have 2 specials with 3 and 4 turn CDs.

Bb8 and r2 go less than 3 times for every opponent attack which means k2's 97.6 counter chance leads to more out of turn CD reduction than choppers assist which takes care of the speed difference.

K2's 2 turn CD on special means he uses specials as often as chopper's 4 and 3 turn CDs.

Since experience isn't good enough for you. There's math that shows I'm right too... Unsurprisingly. He is theorizing. I'm speaking from experience. Chopper doesn't speed up ID any faster than k2.

You assume too much. I've run droids extensively in arena and have used K2SO successfully and have him geared. I'd even say without a doubt I've used K2SO much more than you ever have. For whatever reason you want to get defensive because others believe Chopper works better in a RJT/IPD squad. Here's what you keep missing... it's all about speed. K2SO is not fast. Chopper is extremely fast and buffs other droids with speed up. Each droid (R2, BB8, Chopper, IPD) at the end of their turn gives IPD 5% TM. The faster everyone is the sooner ID goes off. It's that simple. The faster everyone is the more TM Rey gets from Secret Intel spreading.
You may think the speed difference is minor and not an issue but in arena the slow droid is going to lose.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

You are also mistaken in thinking that everyone going faster means jtr goes faster. It's only when Resistance allies gain secret Intel that she gains tm.

My profile link is in my signature.

"Woodroward;c-1422101" wrote:

"Trollsbane;c-1422088" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422065" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422060" wrote:
A

"Trollsbane;c-1422044" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421853" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1421707" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421432" wrote:

You can disagree all you want. I've watched plenty of videos with Chopper and played against him as well as having played a lot with K2S0... this isn't a theory. Chopper doesn't reduce ID any faster than K2S0 does.

Chopper has 152 base speed and 2 specials, which reduce ID cooldown by # of allies that have secret intel when used (typically this will be 3-5 when Chopper goes after BB-8 and R-2). He also has a 30% assist chance off these very speedy droids, and has a base physical critical rating higher than K-2S0.

Every time he assists, he has a 60% chance to reduce the speedy droid's CD's by 1 (which applies to their specials AND illuminated destiny).

You're wrong. Trollsbane is right. Unsurprisingly.

Let's do some math here. 30% chance to assist means less than1 in 3 attacks he assists. 60% chance to reduce CDs means roughly half the time he reduces CDs. 4 droids means 1 in 4 assists he reduces ID CD. So roughly 1 out of every 24 speedy Droid attacks will reduce ID CD.

A less than 1 in 3 chance to assist means speedy droids would have to take 3 turns to the enemies 1 for chopper to attack out of turn more than k2 (they don't by the way)

Chopper does have 2 specials with 3 and 4 turn CDs.

Bb8 and r2 go less than 3 times for every opponent attack which means k2's 97.6 counter chance leads to more out of turn CD reduction than choppers assist which takes care of the speed difference.

K2's 2 turn CD on special means he uses specials as often as chopper's 4 and 3 turn CDs.

Since experience isn't good enough for you. There's math that shows I'm right too... Unsurprisingly. He is theorizing. I'm speaking from experience. Chopper doesn't speed up ID any faster than k2.

You assume too much. I've run droids extensively in arena and have used K2SO successfully and have him geared. I'd even say without a doubt I've used K2SO much more than you ever have. For whatever reason you want to get defensive because others believe Chopper works better in a RJT/IPD squad. Here's what you keep missing... it's all about speed. K2SO is not fast. Chopper is extremely fast and buffs other droids with speed up. Each droid (R2, BB8, Chopper, IPD) at the end of their turn gives IPD 5% TM. The faster everyone is the sooner ID goes off. It's that simple. The faster everyone is the more TM Rey gets from Secret Intel spreading.
You may think the speed difference is minor and not an issue but in arena the slow droid is going to lose.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

I find it doubtful you have used k2 more than I. He's been in my arena team for 14 months. Been in the top 10 with him for about 6 of those (CLS and jtr) top 20/50 for another 6 (hk). I'm not getting defensive in the slightest. I'm getting corrective.

You are also mistaken in thinking that everyone meeting faster makes jtr faster. She only gains tm when resistance allies gain secret Intel.

I see the problem now. You are a K2SO fanboy who can't accept that he MIGHT not be the best droid for all squads. You keep using K2SO in all your squads because that's who you have geared. I've geared them all and tested them all. I know exactly how K2SO stacks up to Chopper because I've used both. I'm not trying to convince you to use Chopper. I'm not even saying K2SO is bad. I just think you are way off on this topic and you obviously have zero experience using Chopper in a droid squad.

Can't beat the logic so you continue to resort to baseless assumptions. Good job. Yes I am a k2 fan boy. He also the best tank in the game in any Droid synergy team. That's not an assumption

When it comes to ID chopper is no better than k2. His buffs are duplicates of id buffs so have reduced value. Offense down and daze have more value.

His auto taunt protects jtr and bb better than chopper ever could.

"Tannjam;c-1422053" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421853" wrote:

"Tannjam;c-1421707" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1421432" wrote:

You can disagree all you want. I've watched plenty of videos with Chopper and played against him as well as having played a lot with K2S0... this isn't a theory. Chopper doesn't reduce ID any faster than K2S0 does.

Chopper has 152 base speed and 2 specials, which reduce ID cooldown by # of allies that have secret intel when used (typically this will be 3-5 when Chopper goes after BB-8 and R-2). He also has a 30% assist chance off these very speedy droids, and has a base physical critical rating higher than K-2S0.

Every time he assists, he has a 60% chance to reduce the speedy droid's CD's by 1 (which applies to their specials AND illuminated destiny).

You're wrong. Trollsbane is right. Unsurprisingly.

Let's do some math here. 30% chance to assist means less than1 in 3 attacks he assists. 60% chance to reduce CDs means roughly half the time he reduces CDs. 4 droids means 1 in 4 assists he reduces ID CD. So roughly 1 out of every 24 speedy Droid attacks will reduce ID CD.

A less than 1 in 3 chance to assist means speedy droids would have to take 3 turns to the enemies 1 for chopper to attack out of turn more than k2 (they don't by the way)

Chopper does have 2 specials with 3 and 4 turn CDs.

Bb8 and r2 go less than 3 times for every opponent attack which means k2's 97.6 counter chance leads to more out of turn CD reduction than choppers assist which takes care of the speed difference.

K2's 2 turn CD on special means he uses specials as often as chopper's 4 and 3 turn CDs.

Since experience isn't good enough for you. There's math that shows I'm right too... Unsurprisingly. He is theorizing. I'm speaking from experience. Chopper doesn't speed up ID any faster than k2.

Considering K2's counter chance is easily negated by daze (against RJT teams) or stun and his taunt is easily negated by ability block (facing CLS teams), he's not going to get this steady stream of attacks/counters that you're theorizing.

No theory to it buddy. It's experience. Ability block does nothing to stop his taunt since it is an auto taunt. Neither do buff wipes or (thanks to r2) buff immunity.

A few things... When K2S0 has debuffs his counter chance drops to 50%. Here's how it will go down, RJT will Mind Trick K2SO preventing counters with Daze and also removing his TM. Now you are stuck with a slow droid who can't counter. Your R2 will stealth all but K2SO making him a non-countering slow target that will get dropped quick.

Now let's look at Chopper. He's fast, really fast... and will likely get a turn in before RJT uses mind tricks on him. On top of that when BB8 and R2 use their specials at the beginning of the match Chopper is already potentially assisting reducing the other droids cooldowns from his unique ability as well as reducing ID cooldowns if he crits on the assist. All this is happening before your K2SO gets a turn. Chopper gets 30% evasion when he taunts making him hard to hit and he gains 15% max health at the start of his turn and gains Protection up whenever he is damaged by an attack. If Chopper gets Dazed he is still extremely fast and will still be attacking often.

Ok. With chopper in instead of k2, jtr mind tricks on your jtr because she's the one r2 leaves out of stealth. Sounds like a worse scenario to me. As for the debuffs, k2 will drop them as soon as he goes or counters and crits thanks to r2.

Your arguments against k2 here pan out worse with chopper in the comp.

If you watched the videos R2 leaves himself out of stealth not RJT.

Anyways, you're in denial! Lol, whatever dude. Have fun with your K2SO squad. I decided you deserve to run the inferior tank! See ya!

Not denial, just more experienced. Whether it's r2 or jtr, that's still a worse scenario than it being k2.

"Tannjam;c-1422161" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1422101" wrote:

No theory to it buddy. It's experience. Ability block does nothing to stop his taunt since it is an auto taunt. Neither do buff wipes or (thanks to r2) buff immunity. As for daze and stun, they cripple chopper just as much so are irrelevant to the comparison.

I obviously meant Buff Immunity, not ability block. No-one in their right mind is going to daze chopper over BB-8, RJT, or R2-D2.

You have no experience with a high-geared chopper (yours is G9) so really you're basing your "experience" on one side of the argument. Trollsbane has experience with both - I know this, because he's on my arena shard. It's fine man, you can admit you're wrong.

The experience with k2 is more important than the experience with chopper since there are many videos with chopper in... Not so much with k2. Also I have faced chopper in jtr teams a lot so I know how ineffectual he is on defense.

I always admit when I'm wrong. Luckily this isn't one of those occasions.

Judging by your swgoh profile link you keep sharing you don't have much arena experience at all. Your opinion is biased and you are making huge assumptions about characters you have never used. It's great that you made it into the top 10 with K2SO but that doesn't make you an expert on anything.

https://swgoh.gg/u/trollsbane/

Top ranks in arena running droids for over 10 months means I know nothing of Droids, huh?

... Good argument.

I'm looking at your arena wins. They be low.

I started playing in December 2016. My wins be high. Been top 50 pretty much my whole swgoh career. Top 10 for half of it... Never had less than 2 droids in comp.

I didn't unlock JTR so cannot speak to offense. JTR / RJT has become the predominant lead in our shard (Dec 2016 / Jan 2017) with still some CLS and even a few GK / Zarris hold outs. We have fortunately not been inflicted with the NS pox.

I can say that beating JTR teams isn't all that challenging provided you have a clear path to fracture her. Anything that gets in the way of that clear path and starts the little ball bobbling with his repetitive pointless buff (other than to get to his mega-buff special) makes these teams more challenging. We mostly see Kenobi as a tank with either Han, Old Ben, Chopper or Thrawn as the fifth. The Old Ben and Chopper teams are pretty similar in nature - in either case there's usually a pretty clear path to Rey through a variety of dispels (I still run Baze exactly for this reason) - K2 would definitely change that as the fifth in that comp, since he would require CLS' buff immunity and now we're getting RNG-ish on whether or not Rey has lost stealth while GK's taunt is down so Thrawn has a path to fracture her. Chopper comps are pretty easy, you just need to wait the extra turn for Chopper's taunt to clear and because he's so fast and getting TM, you don't have to wait long. Pretty much the same with OB, but he can be sped up by Thrawn. K2's ability to regain that taunt on counter, requiring that buff immunity instead of being more selective about it's use depending on how the match unfolds....could be cause for trouble.

Either way, theory crafting is nice, and watching that theory crafting devolve the way this thread did is a little sad given the contributors' obvious passion for the game, it sounds like an apples to apples comparison (gear and mods) of the two comps would be the only answer.

Right, but theory crafting for you on the Chopper side to be fair, as your Chopper isn't as well geared as your K2 and you're speculating how he performs as opposed to knowing.

This is where you say - "fair point" and retain credibility :-)