Can someone explain why the devs cant get tenacity to work correctly? If i have rex at 80% and you get a built in resistance of 15% then I should only get debuffed 5% of the time.or if the other toon has 90% potency I should still resist a fair amount of time especially since EP only has a 70% chance to stun me.I still seem to get stunned 75% of the time. I shouldn't need tenacity up to resist buffs.I have to believe that if the devs could get this working right arena would seem much more interesting.

You don't understand how tenacity and potency work. The chance to resist a debuff is found by subtracting the attacking toon's potency from the defending toon's tenacity. That is then the chance to resistHowever there is a hard floor of 15% chance to resist any debuff. Therefore taking your Rex as an example with 80% tenacity. The chance he has to resist a debuff will depend on the attacking toon's potency and will be0% potency 80%50% pot. 30%65% pot. 15%80% pot. 15%1m% pot. 15%So you are right about one thing. Tenacity is a pretty underwhelming stat and you need it to be more than 15% higher than the opponent's potency to get any benefit from it.

Just bad RNG bud. Plus, I think it's a known fact by now that potency outdoes Tenacity.

tenacity - potency = chance to resist (with a minimum of 15%)a 90% potency character will get resisted just as often as a 65% potency character when attacking a 80% tenacity character. You'll need atleast 15% more tenacity than the attacker's potency in order to have a better chance of resisting. Long story short, tenacity sucks. I do prefer tenacity to suck though, if tenacity was a viable option we would see alot more *resisted* pop-up, wich would make arena less fun imo.

@Taxman i wrote my post quickly i do know that formula and get whats going on it just doesnt seem to make sense.we all make choices on our toons its the point of mods. Do you go for power/protection etc. If I go for tenacity i should be able to resist most debuffs. that doesn't happen right now. Potency kills tenacity. A palp with 80% potency is way more OP than a toon with 80% tenacity

I don't think the 15% gets added to the 80. From other posts on this, 15% is a lower bound on the resist chance. If you have only 80% tenacity, 80-90 = -10, which is less than 15, so you get bumped to 15% chance to resist.0.85*0.70= 0.595, so you should get stunned around 60% of the time.Wow, and apparently this comment was sitting in drafts without posting.

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emvedebe
8 years ago
"chezhead;923557" wrote:
leef no i think if i have 80% tenacity i should resist 80% of the time.

and what would potency do in this scenario? nothing, like tenacity does now?
emvedebe
8 years ago
"Perdogie;923567" wrote:
This seems really backwards IMO. It would make more sense if Tenacity - Potency = Chance to debuff. 80%T vs 65%P should only debuff 15% of the time

using dfferent numbers kinda ruins the logic behind that formula though
15% tenacity - 80% potency = -65% chance to debuff
chezhead72
8 years ago
"Perdogie;923567" wrote:
This seems really backwards IMO. It would make more sense if Tenacity - Potency = Chance to debuff. 80%T vs 65%P should only debuff 15% of the time

yes this makes sense
Taxman1975
8 years ago
"chezhead;923491" wrote:
@Taxman i wrote my post quickly i do know that formula and get whats going on it just doesnt seem to make sense.

we all make choices on our toons its the point of mods. Do you go for power/protection etc. If I go for tenacity i should be able to resist most debuffs. that doesn't happen right now. Potency kills tenacity. A palp with 80% potency is way more OP than a toon with 80% tenacity

Sorry my first sentence came across more harsh than I meant!

I agree with you that the tenacity/potency model they use is not a good one meaning that both stats can be completely wasted in different circumstances - e.g. If you stack tenacity to 90% but come across someone with 75% or higher potency then all of that tenacity is wasted and you're in exactly the same position as someone who ignored tenacity completely and had 0%. I'm sure there must be a way to make the chance to resist more dynamic, giving you some benefit for all that tenacity even if you come across a high potency attacker.
emvedebe
8 years ago
i think you're both underestimating how much it would suck if tenacity worked like that.
Neo2551
8 years ago
"Perdogie;923606" wrote:
"leef;923589" wrote:
"Perdogie;923567" wrote:
This seems really backwards IMO. It would make more sense if Tenacity - Potency = Chance to debuff. 80%T vs 65%P should only debuff 15% of the time

using dfferent numbers kinda ruins the logic behind that formula though
15% tenacity - 80% potency = -65% chance to debuff

I should have specified that the higher stat would get the priority, so in your example it would still equate to 80P-15T= 65% debuff

Better yet, each stat should simply get their own roll.
80% tenacity = resisted True/False
65% potency = applied True/False
Repeat rolls in event of tie

Then debuff would be completely useless: everyone would have nearly 90% tenacity easily:

Then: 0.1*potency*chance to trigger test for debuff: less than 5% in most skills.
ZeusZA360
8 years ago
I don't think tenacity should be overwhelming but it should work a bit better than it currently does. It would then also make debuffs like tenacity down actually worthwhile in arena.
Neo2551
8 years ago
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...
Neo2551
8 years ago
"Neo2551;923618" wrote:
"Perdogie;923606" wrote:
"leef;923589" wrote:
"Perdogie;923567" wrote:
This seems really backwards IMO. It would make more sense if Tenacity - Potency = Chance to debuff. 80%T vs 65%P should only debuff 15% of the time

using dfferent numbers kinda ruins the logic behind that formula though
15% tenacity - 80% potency = -65% chance to debuff

I should have specified that the higher stat would get the priority, so in your example it would still equate to 80P-15T= 65% debuff

Better yet, each stat should simply get their own roll.
80% tenacity = resisted True/False
65% potency = applied True/False
Repeat rolls in event of tie

Then debuff would be completely useless: everyone would have nearly 90% tenacity easily:

Then: 0.1*potency*chance to trigger test for debuff: less than 5% in most skills.

Sorry I misread. You have the oddd potency*(1-tenacity)/.
chezhead72
8 years ago

"Ava_Kdizzle;923644" wrote:
"Neo2551;923622" wrote:
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...

Yup. Leef is right on here. Arena and the game in general would not be nearly as fun/strategic if it was nearly impossible to land debuffs.

i think tenacity needs to work on a curve. if you go heavy tenacity it should resist much higher than it does now. if you only go with 20-45% it should work like it does now.