Tenacity

"Perdogie;923606" wrote:

"leef;923589" wrote:

"Perdogie;923567" wrote:
This seems really backwards IMO. It would make more sense if Tenacity - Potency = Chance to debuff. 80%T vs 65%P should only debuff 15% of the time

using dfferent numbers kinda ruins the logic behind that formula though
15% tenacity - 80% potency = -65% chance to debuff

I should have specified that the higher stat would get the priority, so in your example it would still equate to 80P-15T= 65% debuff

Better yet, each stat should simply get their own roll.
80% tenacity = resisted True/False
65% potency = applied True/False
Repeat rolls in event of tie

What happens when both roll true????

"chezhead;923731" wrote:

"Ava_Kdizzle;923644" wrote:

"Neo2551;923622" wrote:
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...

Yup. Leef is right on here. Arena and the game in general would not be nearly as fun/strategic if it was nearly impossible to land debuffs.

i think tenacity needs to work on a curve. if you go heavy tenacity it should resist much higher than it does now. if you only go with 20-45% it should work like it does now.

Personally, I feel like potency is the harder stat to get here. I feel like toons resist just fine. Plus there are so many cleansers out there, and at least three toons that give group tenacity up, which 100% resists everything except tenacity down. Empire/Sith teams DEPEND on debuffs, and there are already so many lightside counters to debuffs. Maybe tenacity could be a little better, but it doesn't need a huge buff. Already with the 15% lower asymptote, if you do two AoEs that each apply two debuffs, you can expect three of those to be resisted with huge pitency levels, to say nothing of the attempt chance to apply. Throw in some tenacity higher than 15%, and maybe at the end, a little over half of them stick.

I get being upset that an 80% tenacity Rex (who can cleanse and throw tenacity up) can't resist, but how many mods did the other person have to farm to get 90% potency? Even with Palp lead, that's 55%, which is maybe a full set or really good primaries.

"chezhead;923731" wrote:

"Ava_Kdizzle;923644" wrote:

"Neo2551;923622" wrote:
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...

Yup. Leef is right on here. Arena and the game in general would not be nearly as fun/strategic if it was nearly impossible to land debuffs.

i think tenacity needs to work on a curve. if you go heavy tenacity it should resist much higher than it does now. if you only go with 20-45% it should work like it does now.

I tend to agree. It might even be as simple as making tenacity mod sets give +10% tenacity instead of +5%.

Getting my 100%+ Tenacity Magmatrooper double-debuffed by Boba in the 1st turn was when I understood that Tenacity didn't work as I thought. :D

"UltimateZeus;923804" wrote:

"chezhead;923731" wrote:

"Ava_Kdizzle;923644" wrote:

"Neo2551;923622" wrote:
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...

Yup. Leef is right on here. Arena and the game in general would not be nearly as fun/strategic if it was nearly impossible to land debuffs.

i think tenacity needs to work on a curve. if you go heavy tenacity it should resist much higher than it does now. if you only go with 20-45% it should work like it does now.

I tend to agree. It might even be as simple as making tenacity mod sets give +10% tenacity instead of +5%.

They do currently give +10%

"BrtStlnd;923822" wrote:

"UltimateZeus;923804" wrote:

"chezhead;923731" wrote:

"Ava_Kdizzle;923644" wrote:

"Neo2551;923622" wrote:
That would be a clear nerf to dark side characters...

Yup. Leef is right on here. Arena and the game in general would not be nearly as fun/strategic if it was nearly impossible to land debuffs.

i think tenacity needs to work on a curve. if you go heavy tenacity it should resist much higher than it does now. if you only go with 20-45% it should work like it does now.

I tend to agree. It might even be as simple as making tenacity mod sets give +10% tenacity instead of +5%.

They do currently give +10%

Sorry I meant for not a maxed set... so basically make it double what potency is... so +20% for lvl15 mods. They would need to test to see if that is too much, if so might have to make it 15%.

I remember reading, awhile back now actually, that the devs said they were going to rework Potency & Tenacity so that they actually functioned more properly. What that means I do not know, but they have acknowledged in the past that it is grossly unbalanced. Guess it got swept under the carpet with Stealh :/

It's easier to accept tenacity works like this.

All toons have a minimum 15% chance to resist.
90% potency - 90% tenacity = 15% chance resist
60% potency - 90% tenacity = 30% chance resist
40% potency - 90% tenacity = 50% chance resist

Call in rng which works against you all the time = tenacity mods ruins your day.

"Tactyou;923950" wrote:
It's easier to accept tenacity works like this.

All toons have a minimum 15% chance to resist.
90% potency - 90% tenacity = 15% chance resist
60% potency - 90% tenacity = 30% chance resist
40% potency - 90% tenacity = 50% chance resist

Call in rng which works against you all the time = tenacity mods ruins your day.

A very good way of putting it, @Tactyou, thanks. :)

"Tactyou;923950" wrote:
It's easier to accept tenacity works like this.

All toons have a minimum 15% chance to resist.
90% potency - 90% tenacity = 15% chance resist
60% potency - 90% tenacity = 30% chance resist
40% potency - 90% tenacity = 50% chance resist

Call in rng which works against you all the time = tenacity mods ruins your day.

and that's why potency is OP and tenacity sucks. it shouldn't be like that.

How it works: Chance to resist = max(tenacity - potency, 15%);
How it should work (with correct balance of stats): Chance to land debuff = min(potency - tenacity, 85%)

Either way would require a rebalance of stats to be effective. Far too many toons are potency strong where the majority of toons are too tenacity weak to make any difference in the arena. potency vs tenacity is more a PVE stat.