The end of critical damage mod sets?

"Juzz;c-1906346" wrote:

"DarthJarX2;c-1906325" wrote:
I guess I don't understand how CD is calculated either. Isn't CD calculated as a multiplier of offense? So if your offense increases, so does your CD?

CD kicks in as a multiplier of physical/special damage, not offense.

P/S damage is calculated:

AbilityMultiplier
*
{

+ linear offenseMods
+ linearOffenseUnfinishedGearTier
}
*
{
leadershipOffense%Bonus
+ uniqueOffense%Bonus
+ buffOffense%Bonus
- debuffOffense%Malus
}


Then CD damage is calculated multiplying P/S damage by:

{
1.5
+ CD%set
+ CD%Mod
+ leadershipCD%Bonus
+ uniqueCD%Bonus
+ buffCD%Bonus
- debuffCD%Malus
}

Using % values as per one values -> 150%=1.50, 30%=0.30, 5.88%= 0.0588, etc...

G13 integrates the line "+ linearOffenseUnfinishedGearTier" into "Base P/S damage", allowing those linear adds to be multiplied by the offense%Mods and offense%Set.

This. ^

Offense does scale to the base 'ability' not the base. People keep saying offense scales crit damage and that is not true. Offense scales the ability which can be scaled by crit. Very different outcomes.

Not touching the maths at all...
I think there was a real effort of getting toons away from cd and speed mods.

Slow going but still going. I’m happy that Some toons don’t need the speed arrow. And more toons using health to their advantage. Other toons dealing “true” damage. I enjoy it.

The only thing that G13 changes is that offense mods now multiply offense from the G12 gear. This means that like health%, offense% gets a boost, minor in most cases. Critical damage was already factoring in that G12 offense, so it stays the same.

I'm not a numbers guy but I like offense mods the most, so that's what I farm and use the most besides from speed set

"DarthJarX2;c-1906325" wrote:
I guess I don't understand how CD is calculated either. Isn't CD calculated as a multiplier of offense? So if your offense increases, so does your CD?

What is wrong with you great mathematicians?? Stop complaining and make a compromise. AKA use an offense set with a CD triangle. 216% CD means your crits do 216% more damage... 15% percent offense shouldn't be used on a character who crits a lot. Like Han Solo. But yoda, who would do much better with offense set, should have offense because his offense is amazingly high. Therefore 15 percent offense would be better for him. And theres still the CD triangle...

"bisto_760;c-1906351" wrote:
Offense set if character:
-doesnt/can't crit hit.
-primarialy uses SPECIAL damage.

Crit damage set if character:
-can crit/good crit chance.
-uses PHYSICAL damage.

That's basically it. If you look in the stats of a character you'll see the physical damage # is lower than the special damage number. But the physical damage crit chance is higher than the special damage crit chance. So...physical damage is lower damage/higher crit chance and special damage is higher damage/lower crit chance. Grand master yoda uses(should be) an offence set. Ezra's uses a crit damage set.

And before someone jumps in with an exception, YES there are some situations where either will work. My explanation is intended to help people understand the principles.

*Grevious*

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1906650" wrote:
Since I usually play without my slide ruler and abacus handy, I usually simplify it to 3 rules:
1. Are they basically guaranteed a critical hit (scav Rey, Solo, etc)? Use critical damage.
2. Do they have low/no critical chance (HK, etc)? Use offense.
3. Do they have a hi, but not guaranteed critical chance (most attackers)? Use whichever set has the best primary/secondary combinations. This third rule is why my GMY is stuck with a CD set instead of offense, which would be slightly better if I had the mods to spare.

this is a good way to do it for anyone not using their slide ruler. When it's close the secondary stats are what make the difference.

"Sucaliaric;c-1906630" wrote:

"bisto_760;c-1906351" wrote:
Offense set if character:
-doesnt/can't crit hit.
-primarialy uses SPECIAL damage.

Crit damage set if character:
-can crit/good crit chance.
-uses PHYSICAL damage.

That's basically it. If you look in the stats of a character you'll see the physical damage # is lower than the special damage number. But the physical damage crit chance is higher than the special damage crit chance. So...physical damage is lower damage/higher crit chance and special damage is higher damage/lower crit chance. Grand master yoda uses(should be) an offence set. Ezra's uses a crit damage set.

And before someone jumps in with an exception, YES there are some situations where either will work. My explanation is intended to help people understand the principles.

Why does whether the primary attack is special or physical matter for crit damage versus offense sets? Is it just because of the different crit chances?

exactly @Sucaliaric the heuristic bisto suggested works well because most special damage dealing characters have a low special crit chance and visa verse for physical damage dealers.

There are plenty of edge cases as bisto mentioned. My favorite is GMY who has a low special crit chance but when in a revan squad as a metirc (bad word) ton of CC in battle so CD set is more sensible... unless trying to kill a squad with jolee and GK who have a metric (bad word) ton of crit avoidance which makes offense mose sensible. But it's a bit of a subjective judgement call at the end of the day.

"Bulldog1205;c-1906449" wrote:
The only thing that G13 changes is that offense mods now multiply offense from the G12 gear. This means that like health%, offense% gets a boost, minor in most cases. Critical damage was already factoring in that G12 offense, so it stays the same.

@Bulldog1205 was it you that did a youtube vid on this at some point? Maybe worth sharing again/updating?

"evoluza;c-1906412" wrote:

"EduardoCadav;c-1906302" wrote:
yeah, g13 gives offense sets a very favorable boost vs CD. You do get higher CC with some characters at g13 so it's easier to reach the CC break point. But in some scenarios (eg boba under his leadership and FOTP under KRU leadership) offense is now better than CD even at 100% crit chance.

You'll have to calculate it on a character by character basis though. The easiest is to put your best offense set available on and your best CD set available on and then just calculate the average damage per hit for your specific gear and mods. Most of the time the differences are pretty small though

:insert facepalm:

found one for you @evoluza!

Did you have anything constructive to add????