What team without Grievous should I farm and gear to unlock 7 star Padme in 1-2 months (next return)

Droideka and b2 are easy farms and definitely make the event easier.

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Going for everyone in fleet doesn't mean going for them all at once, but useful ship farms should take precedence over zetas.

Corrected for ya

"MightyWizard;c-1875712" wrote:
As for the second piece of advice about the fleet store... No dude, that's just very wrong. Everyone should farm zeta mats from the get-go, and only focus on one or two characters or ships from the fleet store at a time, to ensure a steady supply of zetas. It's the difference between 1 and 3 zeta upgrades a month. It's a no-brainer.

I agree, that was one of the most idiotic pieces of advice I've ever seen for this game. It throws in doubt everything that he says. If I hadn't been farming zetas with my fleet currency, I wouldn't have been placing first in squad and fleet arenas and gotten critical legendary/heroic characters at critical times.

In fact, there were two characters in the fleet store that I did farm to 7* and I greatly regret ever wasting anything on them - Rex and Chirrut. To date, neither of those characters have done anything for me (partly because I haven't had the resources to spare to gear them up because I had other priorities) and they're inflating my gp count needlessly (I activated and promoted them before GA came out so I didn't know that would be a thing).

But seeing his most recent post, I can sort of see why he said the things he did. There's a fundamental value/goal disconnect between him and I that I'll address below.

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Nah, it just puts you farther behind in gp and platoon progression to do it that way. Then again I took first in fleet for well over a year from early on. I remember being in first for 3 days straight with my republic fleet at one point.

Did used to spend currency on gear when it was available too. Missing pieces hurt more than others. Going for everyone in fleet doesn't mean going for them all at once, but ship farms should take precedence over zetas.

So I'll begin by saying that you and I clearly don't see eye to eye on what we're trying to do in this game. Different values, different goals, different perspectives. And that's OK. But this is an advice thread for me, so I'm now going to unload on you from the standpoint of my values and goals.

My goal is to prioritize becoming as successful personally as possible first in squad and fleet arenas, then in GA, then in raids, and finally in TB/TW, in that order. It is my belief that by making myself as strong as possible, I benefit my guild more than if I actually actively make guild considerations in my priorities. I'm pretty sure everyone in my guild would agree with me - I contribute to my guild a lot more proportionally than most people who have been playing for as relatively short a time as I have (since late January 2018).

From this perspective, I'm a lot more successful than you and honestly, perhaps you shouldn't be giving me advice. Look at your record and look at mine. Your profile: https://swgoh.gg/p/135179288/ (rank 192-524 squad, 112-120 fleet) My Profile: https://swgoh.gg/p/342639299/ (rank 1 straight for both squad and fleet) Whose approach is more effective (for my goals/values)?

So platoon progression is not something I care anything about (My guild does 43/46 in TB and getting close to the next pair of stars so we're fine). And GP progression is something I'm actively trying to avoid.

With the introduction of GA, the goal is to keep your roster as slim as possible and GP as low as possible so you get matched against easier opponents. And it pays off - I've won all but 2 GA's and get matched against a lot of morons with deep rosters. Recently my GP has been growing alarmingly high and alarming quickly (mostly due getting DR, Ewoks for C3PO, and Malak prep) and it has cost me in having to deal with harder opponents in GA.

Going forward, I have to be far more selective in what characters I get, gear, and zeta. The fundamental principle of my sandbagging approach to GA/progression is to never get or even activate a character that I'm not going to g12 and which doesn't play a critical role in Arena, GA/TW, raids, or in unlocking a legendary/heroic character.

Also, you ignored the point I made about GG being unnecessary for Padme. The evidence is clear that GG is not needed for 7* Padme. You say otherwise, which is patently false. You said I'm not willing to spend fleet currency on GG. That's the opposite of what I said - I said I'm ONLY willing to spend FLEET currency on him, which is why he's unobtainable for me. I said I wasn't willing to spend SHARD currency on him. With fleet currency alone, it'll probably take more than a year to 7* Grievous. He shows up so rarely in the fleet shop.

I agree with that post except for the part needing a year to farm GG. I had three weeks where he showed up once. Then he showed up like 8 times in one week. It took me far less than a year. Maybe a few months.

"Letareus;c-1876843" wrote:

"MightyWizard;c-1875712" wrote:
As for the second piece of advice about the fleet store... No dude, that's just very wrong. Everyone should farm zeta mats from the get-go, and only focus on one or two characters or ships from the fleet store at a time, to ensure a steady supply of zetas. It's the difference between 1 and 3 zeta upgrades a month. It's a no-brainer.

I agree, that was one of the most **** pieces of advice I've ever seen for this game. It throws in doubt everything that he says. If I hadn't been farming zetas with my fleet currency, I wouldn't have been placing first in squad and fleet arenas and gotten critical legendary/heroic characters at critical times.

In fact, there were two characters in the fleet store that I did farm to 7* and I greatly regret ever wasting anything on them - Rex and Chirrut. To date, neither of those characters have done anything for me (partly because I haven't had the resources to spare to gear them up because I had other priorities) and they're inflating my gp count needlessly (I activated and promoted them before GA came out so I didn't know that would be a thing).

But seeing his most recent post, I can sort of see why he said the things he did. There's a fundamental value/goal disconnect between him and I that I'll address below.

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Nah, it just puts you farther behind in gp and platoon progression to do it that way. Then again I took first in fleet for well over a year from early on. I remember being in first for 3 days straight with my republic fleet at one point.

Did used to spend currency on gear when it was available too. Missing pieces hurt more than others. Going for everyone in fleet doesn't mean going for them all at once, but ship farms should take precedence over zetas.

So I'll begin by saying that you and I clearly don't see eye to eye on what we're trying to do in this game. Different values, different goals, different perspectives. And that's OK. But this is an advice thread for me, so I'm now going to unload on you from the standpoint of my values and goals.

My goal is to prioritize becoming as successful personally as possible first in squad and fleet arenas, then in GA, then in raids, and finally in TB/TW, in that order. It is my belief that by making myself as strong as possible, I benefit my guild more than if I actually actively make guild considerations in my priorities. I'm pretty sure everyone in my guild would agree with me - I contribute to my guild a lot more proportionally than most people who have been playing for as relatively short a time as I have (since late January 2018).

From this perspective, I'm a lot more successful than you and honestly, perhaps you shouldn't be giving me advice. Look at your record and look at mine. Your profile: https://swgoh.gg/p/135179288/ (rank 192-524 squad, 112-120 fleet) My Profile: https://swgoh.gg/p/342639299/ (rank 1 straight for both squad and fleet) Whose approach is more effective (for my goals/values)?

So platoon progression is not something I care anything about (My guild does 43/46 in TB and getting close to the next pair of stars so we're fine). And GP progression is something I'm actively trying to avoid.

With the introduction of GA, the goal is to keep your roster as slim as possible and GP as low as possible so you get matched against easier opponents. And it pays off - I've won all but 2 GA's and get matched against a lot of **** with deep rosters. Recently my GP has been growing alarmingly high and alarming quickly (mostly due getting DR, Ewoks for C3PO, and Malak prep) and it has cost me in having to deal with harder opponents in GA.

Going forward, I have to be far more selective in what characters I get, gear, and zeta. The fundamental principle of my sandbagging approach to GA/progression is to never get or even activate a character that I'm not going to g12 and which doesn't play a critical role in Arena, GA/TW, raids, or in unlocking a legendary/heroic character.

Also, you ignored the point I made about GG being unnecessary for Padme. The evidence is clear that GG is not needed for 7* Padme. You say otherwise, which is patently false. You said I'm not willing to spend fleet currency on GG. That's the opposite of what I said - I said I'm ONLY willing to spend FLEET currency on him, which is why he's unobtainable for me. I said I wasn't willing to spend SHARD currency on him. With fleet currency alone, it'll probably take more than a year to 7* Grievous. He shows up so rarely in the fleet shop.

Funny. I wasn't responding to you at all in the post you quoted.

My arena records are no sign of anything. I've taken something like a 3 month break from the game. I went all in on solo characters instead of Revan. Don't like Revan or want to play him.

I spent well over a year getting top ranks in both arenas but don't want to bother if it means I'm running the same thing as everyone else.

I did this while in a low end crew I ran instead of reaping rewards from a top crew.

But I had no intention of getting into a number 1 contest.

I ignored no point. I corrected your point that he's unobtainable without spending shard shop currency.

The fact that people have managed without gg doesn't mean he isn't really necessary. People got Chewie without Dengar too but it means another layer of rng that is very hard to surmount.

Most people don't play until they get the perfect rng simply because they don't have the time.
So, to reiterate, if GG is out of the question for you, it's likely so is Padme..

"Dirty_Litle_Smuggler;c-1876794" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Going for everyone in fleet doesn't mean going for them all at once, but ALL ship farms should take precedence over zetas.

Corrected for ya

Fixed it back.

You never know who or what will become meta next. Not having the right ships or toons could leave you sol when the shift happens. To this end, not farming all the stagnant shops to completion is foolhardy. Keeping your gp low for grand arena means not leveling or gearing, not not farming.

All of the counter arguments here seem very shortsighted to me.

I'm thinking Dooku lead, B1, B2, Magnaguard and Ventress. These are the guys I am getting as of now. Dooku is super important now after his rework because he pierces protection and constantly inflicts Stun/Abillity Block and can be used to counter Jolee Fishto

"TVF;c-1876851" wrote:
I agree with that post except for the part needing a year to farm GG. I had three weeks where he showed up once. Then he showed up like 8 times in one week. It took me far less than a year. Maybe a few months.

A year was a rough estimate based on my experience so far. He showed up once since I first started this thread (5/23 so about 2 weeks) and I check every refresh. So it's pure RNG. So it might take me 3 months or it could take 6 or it could take 12. Still, there's probably less than 2 months left before Padme returns so it's unlikely to happen.

I have been and am going to get him every time he shows up in the shop - it's not exactly costing me much. But it's irrelevant for Padme cuz I'm not going to get him in time, and probably not even for the next time. Maybe the time after that but that's way too far out.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Funny. I wasn't responding to you at all in the post you quoted...I ignored no point. I corrected your point that he's unobtainable without spending shard shop currency.

I replied making my point in a post prior to the one you replied to. You didn't address it, so you ignored it or didn't notice it. So I pointed it out to you a second time so you would maybe finally respond to it. And again you missed the point so I'll make it again:

I never said that Grievous is unobtainable without spending shard shop currency. I said he's unobtainable in the 2 months or so I have left until Padme returns without spending shard shop currency. This thread is not about building a team that can unlock 7 star Padme EVENTUALLY. It's about unlocking 7 star Padme the VERY NEXT TIME SHE RETURNS. I made that point multiple times.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
But I had no intention of getting into a number 1 contest.

Again maybe here's a values disconnect. Getting #1 in arena is not about getting into a contest. To me (and many others I know) it's solely about crystal income. There is nothing in the game I care about or value more than crystal income. I may not be for you, but it's basically the main purpose of the game to me.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Don't want to bother if it means I'm running the same thing as everyone else....You never know who or what will become meta next. Not having the right ships or toons could leave you sol when the shift happens. To this end, not farming all the stagnant shops to completion is foolhardy.

So, you advocate farming every character in the game in order to be prepared for the next meta and yet you don't want to participate in the meta which defeats the point. BTW, running the same thing as everyone else is something that doesn't bother me in the least, another values disconnect.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
My arena records are no sign of anything...Don't like Revan or want to play him.

They're a sign that you don't care about maximizing crystal income above all other considerations and therefore you and I are not after the same things. You and I don't play this game with the same mindset, nor for the same reasons, and therefore you should not be giving me advice.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Keeping your gp low for grand arena means not leveling or gearing, not not farming.

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Nah, it just puts you farther behind in gp and platoon progression to do it that way.

Keeping GP low is clearly not what you had in mind. You were talking about GP progression like having more GP is a good thing (it's good for helping your guild in TB) instead of the detriment that it is in GA. And you were talking about "platoon progression" like it's something people should care about. You can't platoon characters you haven't activated. It's more likely that what you're advocating is to get all ships/characters to help out your guild which is noble but it's not a goal I share. Then it seems that you tried to retcon it to fit my goals after I told you what they were.

So basically you're advocating forgoing zetas (delaying critical zetas for weeks) in order to farm a bunch of useless ships/characters on speculation (that you yourself may not even use if they are actually needed). I'd estimate that ~70% of zeta income is from fleet arena if you get first every day (and there's no reason why you shouldn't). Delaying zetas means possibly being unable to achieve first in an arena for weeks or months because they are often critical to making meta characters work. Weeks or months of massive lost crystal income for really far fetched speculation? When crystal income is the most important thing in the game (to me)?
I do a little speculation, but only very limited, targeted speculation on likely characters, not this idiotic blanket speculation which honestly makes a lot more sense if you're actually activating the characters to try to max gp and fill platoons to help your guild in TB (which I suspect is one reason you do it).

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
The fact that people have managed without gg doesn't mean he isn't really necessary. People got Chewie without Dengar too but it means another layer of rng that is very hard to surmount. Most people don't play until they get the perfect rng simply because they don't have the time.
So, to reiterate, if GG is out of the question for you, it's likely so is Padme..

Dengar is not necessary for Chewie. And so here's yet another values disconnect. It seems that you have limited playtime or at least treat playtime like it's something valuable and limited. Guess what, I have no job and no school. I have effectively unlimited playtime - limited only by my hours awake and charge on my devices.

So no, lack of playtime could not be less of a consideration for me. But I also have no real money income which is one reason why I value crystal income more than anything else, because crystals = money.

On, Grievous, he's actually worth spending shard shop currency, he's actually very good now once you finish gearing him and when we get the g12 finishers it will be even better. I decided to go all in on him and he's now g12+4 with zeta on unique, and I don't regret investing in him one bit.

"Letareus;c-1877058" wrote:

"TVF;c-1876851" wrote:
I agree with that post except for the part needing a year to farm GG. I had three weeks where he showed up once. Then he showed up like 8 times in one week. It took me far less than a year. Maybe a few months.

A year was a rough estimate based on my experience so far. He showed up once since I first started this thread (5/23 so about 2 weeks) and I check every refresh. So it's pure RNG. So it might take me 3 months or it could take 6 or it could take 12. Still, there's probably less than 2 months left before Padme returns so it's unlikely to happen.

I have been and am going to get him every time he shows up in the shop - it's not exactly costing me much. But it's irrelevant for Padme cuz I'm not going to get him in time, and probably not even for the next time. Maybe the time after that but that's way too far out.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Funny. I wasn't responding to you at all in the post you quoted...I ignored no point. I corrected your point that he's unobtainable without spending shard shop currency.

I replied making my point in a post prior to the one you replied to. You didn't address it, so you ignored it or didn't notice it. So I pointed it out to you a second time so you would maybe finally respond to it. And again you missed the point so I'll make it again:

I never said that Grievous is unobtainable without spending shard shop currency. I said he's unobtainable in the 2 months or so I have left until Padme returns without spending shard shop currency. This thread is not about building a team that can unlock 7 star Padme EVENTUALLY. It's about unlocking 7 star Padme the VERY NEXT TIME SHE RETURNS. I made that point multiple times.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
But I had no intention of getting into a number 1 contest.

Again maybe here's a values disconnect. Getting #1 in arena is not about getting into a contest. To me (and many others I know) it's solely about crystal income. There is nothing in the game I care about or value more than crystal income. I may not be for you, but it's basically the main purpose of the game to me.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Don't want to bother if it means I'm running the same thing as everyone else....You never know who or what will become meta next. Not having the right ships or toons could leave you sol when the shift happens. To this end, not farming all the stagnant shops to completion is foolhardy.

So, you advocate farming every character in the game in order to be prepared for the next meta and yet you don't want to participate in the meta which defeats the point. BTW, running the same thing as everyone else is something that doesn't bother me in the least, another values disconnect.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
My arena records are no sign of anything...Don't like Revan or want to play him.

They're a sign that you don't care about maximizing crystal income above all other considerations and therefore you and I are not after the same things. You and I don't play this game with the same mindset, nor for the same reasons, and therefore you should not be giving me advice.

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
Keeping your gp low for grand arena means not leveling or gearing, not not farming.

"Woodroward;c-1876691" wrote:
Nah, it just puts you farther behind in gp and platoon progression to do it that way.

Keeping GP low is clearly not what you had in mind. You were talking about GP progression like having more GP is a good thing (it's good for helping your guild in TB) instead of the detriment that it is in GA. And you were talking about "platoon progression" like it's something people should care about. You can't platoon characters you haven't activated. It's more likely that what you're advocating is to get all ships/characters to help out your guild which is noble but it's not a goal I share. Then it seems that you tried to retcon it to fit my goals after I told you what they were.

So basically you're advocating forgoing zetas (delaying critical zetas for weeks) in order to farm a bunch of useless ships/characters on speculation (that you yourself may not even use if they are actually needed). I'd estimate that ~70% of zeta income is from fleet arena if you get first every day (and there's no reason why you shouldn't). Delaying zetas means possibly being unable to achieve first in an arena for weeks or months because they are often critical to making meta characters work. Weeks or months of massive lost crystal income for really far fetched speculation? When crystal income is the most important thing in the game (to me)?
I do a little speculation, but only very limited, targeted speculation on likely characters, not this **** blanket speculation which honestly makes a lot more sense if you're actually activating the characters to try to max gp and fill platoons to help your guild in TB (which I suspect is one reason you do it).

"Woodroward;c-1876891" wrote:
The fact that people have managed without gg doesn't mean he isn't really necessary. People got Chewie without Dengar too but it means another layer of rng that is very hard to surmount. Most people don't play until they get the perfect rng simply because they don't have the time.
So, to reiterate, if GG is out of the question for you, it's likely so is Padme..

Dengar is not necessary for Chewie. And so here's yet another values disconnect. It seems that you have limited playtime or at least treat playtime like it's something valuable and limited. Guess what, I have no job and no school. I have effectively unlimited playtime - limited only by my hours awake and charge on my devices.

So no, lack of playtime could not be less of a consideration for me. But I also have no real money income which is one reason why I value crystal income more than anything else, because crystals = money.

There's no value disconnect. There's you responding to something close to what I'm saying instead of what I'm saying. Hence my correction of all your misintetpretations of my statements.

When i said number 1 contest I meant going to the bathroom. Picking on my arena rank is below the belt and means nothing to the conversation. All statements along those lines by me were explaining that. Responding to them was you continuing the #1 contest.

What I'm saying is ignoring characters out of the stagnant shops to get the only thing you'll be farming afterwards is jumping the gun.

There are enough Zetas from challenges and events to get you by until then. Otherwise it's like skimping on dinner to have more dessert.

I never said necessary. I never said impossible. I said unlikely. Not having gg makes it unlikely. Just like not having dengar makes chewie unlikely.

You said you were unable to attain gg without shard shop currency and I disagreed.

Now please quit trying to correct my accurate statements. The thread is titled what team to farm to unlock padme. Not "who should i use with my roster".

Not addressing you personally means that statement doesn't pertain to your roster and your protestations are out of place.

"MightyWizard;c-1877147" wrote:
On, Grievous, he's actually worth spending shard shop currency

Not if you planned ahead. Horribly overpriced from there.