What team without Grievous should I farm and gear to unlock 7 star Padme in 1-2 months (next return)

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
There's no value disconnect.

You talk about value disconnects like they're bad. They're not and I don't see why they would be. People don't want the same things and there's nothing wrong with that. But discussions between people with differing values will always result in conflict that can't be resolved until and unless those value differences are identified and addressed.

But that aside, there are many instances of value disconnects between you and I that you haven't addressed and yet you deny that there are any. I suppose that many of your statements are vague enough that there's deniability. So why don't you clear up these instances once and for all? I'm numbering them so you can't just shrug them off with some blanket statement (but you probably will anyway):

1. Do you deny that you value playtime? You talk about playtime like it's limited and valuable and that that is a rationale behind your "unlikely to get" evaluations. If you value playtime at all, then there's a value disconnect between you and me. If there's no value disconnect there, then you must agree with me that playtime is essentially unlimited and therefore limited playtime should never be a factor in any consideration.

2. Do you deny that your primary goal in playing this game is something other than maximizing crystal income? If there's no value disconnect there, then you're saying that you, like me, are obsessively concerned with maximizing crystal income like me above all other considerations in this game. Your actions with respect to the Revan meta and taking months away from the game already answer that question fairly clearly, but I'll give you a chance to respond to this.

3. Does doing the same thing everyone else is doing matter to you? You've clearly said that it does, but I'll give you a chance to clear it up here. If it does matter to you, then you and I clearly have a value disconnect here. I don't give a damn if I'm doing the same thing everyone else is. In fact, I'm more than happy to, because it means it's clear what I should get and what I should be doing instead of the situation being confused like a diverse arena would bring.

4. This one I'm the least sure about: Do you try to help your guild in TB by having a higher GP and characters for platoons? I have friends and guildmates who do that. But if you do, then you and I have a value disconnect there.

There are others but let's start with those.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
There are enough Zetas from challenges and events to get you by until then.

Absolutely false. I may not be zeta starved right at this very minute, but there were so many times in the past and recent past when I was zeta starved and just barely got critical zetas necessary to maintain my crystal income - and that's only with the zeta income from 1800 fleet tokens per day. Like MightyWizard said, it's the difference between 1 and 3 zetas per month. Without getting those zetas WHEN I got them, I would have lost thousands of crystals. And crystals are what I'm all about.

For example, the recent Revan zetas required 3-6 zetas to work properly, and you needed them within days of the meta flooding in, or you'll be losing crystals.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
You said you were unable to attain gg without shard shop currency and I disagreed.

False. I never said that. You left out a critical qualifier I added every time I said I could not get gg - TIME. That I was unable to get GG in TIME to use him to get Padme the very next time she returns without shard shop currency. The time factor is a critical qualifier there that you've ignored every single time. Do you disagree? Do you think I can undoubtedly 7* grievous in less than 2 months from fleet store alone (considering that there's a fair amount of RNG involved which is beyond your control)?

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
What I'm saying is ignoring characters out of the stagnant shops to get the only thing you'll be farming afterwards is jumping the gun.

What I'm saying is the overwhelming majority of those are and will always be useless. It's rampant speculation (gambling on the future), and limited, targeted speculation is as much gambling as I'm willing to do because it comes at the cost of zetas critical to maintaining arena rank in the present. I'm not willing to lose crystals (money) for that.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
I never said necessary. I never said impossible. I said unlikely. Not having gg makes it unlikely. Just like not having dengar makes chewie unlikely.

Sure you did, right here:

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
The fact that people have managed without gg doesn't mean he isn't really necessary.

The double negative means you're saying he's really necessary, but I supose the qualifier "really" gives you room to spin it like it was a hedge. It's a stretch.

Anyway, you said that your assessment of "unlikely" was based on limited playtime. I told you that I have effectively unlimited playtime. Does that have any effect on your assessment? Regardless, you should not assume that people have limited playtime.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
When i said number 1 contest I meant going to the bathroom. Picking on my arena rank is below the belt and means nothing to the conversation. All statements along those lines by me were explaining that. Responding to them was you continuing the #1 contest.

Then that number 1 contest is purely in your head. I don't think I'm better than you. I think you and I don't care about the same things. If you're willing to lose thousands of dollars worth of crystals purely because you don't want to do the same thing as everyone else, we definitely don't care about the same things. If you're wiling to take a months long break from the game and lose all that crystal income (and all the other things you would get in that time), there's no way you and I can care about the same things.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
The thread is titled what team to farm to unlock padme. Not "who should i use with my roster". Not addressing you personally means that statement doesn't pertain to your roster and your protestations are out of place.

So you're just responding to the thread title and nothing else? Thread titles are brief by necessity and cannot contain all the details and nuance necessary to accurately reflect a post. A book is not its title and neither is this (or any other) thread, except maybe the N/T posts. If you read the text of my op and subsequent posts, you would know that this thread much more than the title. It's about what I should farm to unlock 7* Padme by the very next time she shows up with multiple other conditions and qualifiers specific to my concerns and situation. The title is just a brief introduction to that inquiry. If you're just responding to the title and nothing else that would explain a lot.

"MightyWizard;c-1877147" wrote:
On, Grievous, he's actually worth spending shard shop currency, he's actually very good now once you finish gearing him and when we get the g12 finishers it will be even better. I decided to go all in on him and he's now g12+4 with zeta on unique, and I don't regret investing in him one bit.

Agreed! He went from choke artist to Jedi slayer. I use him in GA and he usually holds twice...people underestimate him even now.

Can I get her with GG, Dooku, B2, magna, and Nute? I go back and forth between using Nute or Asajj.
Thanks

"Letareus;c-1877834" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
There's no value disconnect.

You talk about value disconnects like they're bad. They're not and I don't see why they would be. People don't want the same things and there's nothing wrong with that. But discussions between people with differing values will always result in conflict that can't be resolved until and unless those value differences are identified and addressed.

But that aside, there are many instances of value disconnects between you and I that you haven't addressed and yet you deny that there are any. I suppose that many of your statements are vague enough that there's deniability. So why don't you clear up these instances once and for all? I'm numbering them so you can't just shrug them off with some blanket statement (but you probably will anyway):

1. Do you deny that you value playtime? You talk about playtime like it's limited and valuable and that that is a rationale behind your "unlikely to get" evaluations. If you value playtime at all, then there's a value disconnect between you and me. If there's no value disconnect there, then you must agree with me that playtime is essentially unlimited and therefore limited playtime should never be a factor in any consideration.

2. Do you deny that your primary goal in playing this game is something other than maximizing crystal income? If there's no value disconnect there, then you're saying that you, like me, are obsessively concerned with maximizing crystal income like me above all other considerations in this game. Your actions with respect to the Revan meta and taking months away from the game already answer that question fairly clearly, but I'll give you a chance to respond to this.

3. Does doing the same thing everyone else is doing matter to you? You've clearly said that it does, but I'll give you a chance to clear it up here. If it does matter to you, then you and I clearly have a value disconnect here. I don't give a **** if I'm doing the same thing everyone else is. In fact, I'm more than happy to, because it means it's clear what I should get and what I should be doing instead of the situation being confused like a diverse arena would bring.

4. This one I'm the least sure about: Do you try to help your guild in TB by having a higher GP and characters for platoons? I have friends and guildmates who do that. But if you do, then you and I have a value disconnect there.

There are others but let's start with those.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
There are enough Zetas from challenges and events to get you by until then.

Absolutely false. I may not be zeta starved right at this very minute, but there were so many times in the past and recent past when I was zeta starved and just barely got critical zetas necessary to maintain my crystal income - and that's only with the zeta income from 1800 fleet tokens per day. Like MightyWizard said, it's the difference between 1 and 3 zetas per month. Without getting those zetas WHEN I got them, I would have lost thousands of crystals. And crystals are what I'm all about.

For example, the recent Revan zetas required 3-6 zetas to work properly, and you needed them within days of the meta flooding in, or you'll be losing crystals.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
You said you were unable to attain gg without shard shop currency and I disagreed.

False. I never said that. You left out a critical qualifier I added every time I said I could not get gg - TIME. That I was unable to get GG in TIME to use him to get Padme the very next time she returns without shard shop currency. The time factor is a critical qualifier there that you've ignored every single time. Do you disagree? Do you think I can undoubtedly 7* grievous in less than 2 months from fleet store alone (considering that there's a fair amount of RNG involved which is beyond your control)?

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
What I'm saying is ignoring characters out of the stagnant shops to get the only thing you'll be farming afterwards is jumping the gun.

What I'm saying is the overwhelming majority of those are and will always be useless. It's rampant speculation (gambling on the future), and limited, targeted speculation is as much gambling as I'm willing to do because it comes at the cost of zetas critical to maintaining arena rank in the present. I'm not willing to lose crystals (money) for that.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
I never said necessary. I never said impossible. I said unlikely. Not having gg makes it unlikely. Just like not having dengar makes chewie unlikely.

Sure you did, right here:

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
The fact that people have managed without gg doesn't mean he isn't really necessary.

The double negative means you're saying he's really necessary, but I supose the qualifier "really" gives you room to spin it like it was a hedge. It's a stretch.

Anyway, you said that your assessment of "unlikely" was based on limited playtime. I told you that I have effectively unlimited playtime. Does that have any effect on your assessment? Regardless, you should not assume that people have limited playtime.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
When i said number 1 contest I meant going to the bathroom. Picking on my arena rank is below the belt and means nothing to the conversation. All statements along those lines by me were explaining that. Responding to them was you continuing the #1 contest.

Then that number 1 contest is purely in your head. I don't think I'm better than you. I think you and I don't care about the same things. If you're willing to lose thousands of dollars worth of crystals purely because you don't want to do the same thing as everyone else, we definitely don't care about the same things. If you're wiling to take a months long break from the game and lose all that crystal income (and all the other things you would get in that time), there's no way you and I can care about the same things.

"Woodroward;c-1877678" wrote:
The thread is titled what team to farm to unlock padme. Not "who should i use with my roster". Not addressing you personally means that statement doesn't pertain to your roster and your protestations are out of place.

So you're just responding to the thread title and nothing else? Thread titles are brief by necessity and cannot contain all the details and nuance necessary to accurately reflect a post. A book is not its title and neither is this (or any other) thread, except maybe the N/T posts. If you read the text of my op and subsequent posts, you would know that this thread much more than the title. It's about what I should farm to unlock 7* Padme by the very next time she shows up with multiple other conditions and qualifiers specific to my concerns and situation. The title is just a brief introduction to that inquiry. If you're just responding to the title and nothing else that would explain a lot.

All I am reading is me me me. There's nothing to discuss or argue here. I've made my points, they're solid.

Since you insist upon rewriting what I have said into something other that what it was despite my repeated corrections, I'll have no choice but to lose all respect for you if you respond in the same vein again.

"Counts;c-1877957" wrote:
Can I get her with GG, Dooku, B2, magna, and Nute? I go back and forth between using Nute or Asajj.
Thanks

Yes almost certainly. And I'd use both Nute and Asajj, then leave out Magna.

LOL - a year for GG - I have one account started in March 2017 that's still looking at a 5* GG. I think he drops more from GW than he shows up in the shop. Maybe I've just stopped taking the 2 seconds to scroll down. Who knows. Either that or he and Logray are having some odd inter-species love tryst which is why I never see either of them.

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
All I am reading is me me me.

Then you are misreading or not reading at all. Of course, this statement is a bit vague in itself. If you're saying that I'm making this thread purely about my situation and my concerns then you are right - this thread is NOT a generic thread about what team to farm to unlock 7 star Padme - it is a thread specificially about me. Could the title have been more precise? In hindsight, yes, but I wouldn't in a million years have imagined that it would be an issue. I fixed the title now becuase you can't get past it.

Or, perhaps this is related to the perceived slight from my comparing my record to yours. As I said, and I'm saying it again, it was not, as you believe, an attempt by me to start a "#1 contest" or to say that I'm better than you. In fact, it's my personal belief that nobody can be better than anyone else in anything without a prior agreement about criteria for evaluation. Honestly, it's surprising that you're offended because clearly you don't care about your arena performance. The comparison was an attempt to illustrate that you don't care about the same things I do.

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
I've made my points, they're solid.

Many of your points are not solid. I refuted them one by one with specifity and detail. You did not respond to those refutations to defend your points. Instead, you're just dismissing them with a completely unsupported blanket statement.

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
Since you insist upon rewriting what I have said into something other that what it was despite my repeated corrections, I'll have no choice but to lose all respect for you if you respond in the same vein again.

It may be true that I may have initially interpreted SOME (not all) of the things you've said. Part of this is because of your vague and imprecise wording and that those statements could be interpreted in many ways. But I have no problem with shouldering some of the responsibility for those initial misinterpretations.

But after your clarifications I responded to the correct interpretations of those assertions. And you made many other points which I never misinterpreted. Perhaps you're seizing on my INITIAL misinterpretations of one or two things as a way to dismiss all of my arguments.

Also, there is hypocrisy here because you have misinterpreted and rewritten things I've said despite my repeated corrections. For example, you repeatedly mischaracterized my statement that I can't get GG via fleet store alone by the very next time Padme returns by conveniently omitting the "by the very next time Padme returns" part. And your conjuring up a "#1 contest" where none exists.

"cannonfodder_iv;c-1878676" wrote:
LOL - a year for GG - I have one account started in March 2017 that's still looking at a 5* GG. I think he drops more from GW than he shows up in the shop. Maybe I've just stopped taking the 2 seconds to scroll down. Who knows. Either that or he and Logray are having some odd inter-species love tryst which is why I never see either of them.

There you go, this is why it's stupid to rely on fleet store for GG. It's so random and so inconsistent. There's nothing in the world I hate more than gambling and RNG. Say I did make GG part of my team, then Padme returns and I'm still far short of the necessary shards due to bad fleet store RNG for a few months, there wouldn't be a backup - I have 4/5 characters necessary. GG, pun intended.

"Letareus;c-1879281" wrote:

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
All I am reading is me me me.

Then you are misreading or not reading at all. Of course, this statement is a bit vague in itself. If you're saying that I'm making this thread purely about my situation and my concerns then you are right - this thread is NOT a generic thread about what team to farm to unlock 7 star Padme - it is a thread specificially about me. Could the title have been more precise? In hindsight, yes, but I wouldn't in a million years have imagined that it would be an issue. I fixed the title now becuase you can't get past it.

Or, perhaps this is related to the perceived slight from my comparing my record to yours. As I said, and I'm saying it again, it was not, as you believe, an attempt by me to start a "#1 contest" or to say that I'm better than you. In fact, it's my personal belief that nobody can be better than anyone else in anything without a prior agreement about criteria for evaluation. Honestly, it's surprising that you're offended because clearly you don't care about your arena performance. The comparison was an attempt to illustrate that you don't care about the same things I do.

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
I've made my points, they're solid.

Many of your points are not solid. I refuted them one by one with specifity and detail. You did not respond to those refutations to defend your points. Instead, you're just dismissing them with a completely unsupported blanket statement.

"Woodroward;c-1878502" wrote:
Since you insist upon rewriting what I have said into something other that what it was despite my repeated corrections, I'll have no choice but to lose all respect for you if you respond in the same vein again.

It may be true that I may have initially interpreted SOME (not all) of the things you've said. Part of this is because of your vague and imprecise wording and that those statements could be interpreted in many ways. But I have no problem with shouldering some of the responsibility for those initial misinterpretations.

But after your clarifications I responded to the correct interpretations of those assertions. And you made many other points which I never misinterpreted. Perhaps you're seizing on my INITIAL misinterpretations of one or two things as a way to dismiss all of my arguments.

Also, there is hypocrisy here because you have misinterpreted and rewritten things I've said despite my repeated corrections. For example, you repeatedly mischaracterized my statement that I can't get GG via fleet store alone by the very next time Padme returns by conveniently omitting the "by the very next time Padme returns" part. And your conjuring up a "#1 contest" where none exists.

"cannonfodder_iv;c-1878676" wrote:
LOL - a year for GG - I have one account started in March 2017 that's still looking at a 5* GG. I think he drops more from GW than he shows up in the shop. Maybe I've just stopped taking the 2 seconds to scroll down. Who knows. Either that or he and Logray are having some odd inter-species love tryst which is why I never see either of them.

There you go, this is why it's stupid to rely on fleet store for GG. It's so random and so inconsistent. There's nothing in the world I hate more than gambling and RNG. Say I did make GG part of my team, then Padme returns and I'm still far short of the necessary shards due to bad fleet store RNG for a few months, there wouldn't be a backup - I have 4/5 characters necessary. GG, pun intended.

All of your valid points about my points were semantics. For instance, you were the one who really started using the word necessary, not I. So you take my one rephrasing of you putting words in my mouth as me having said it so you could continue in the same vein.

It's disingenuous and on top of it it's ignoring what I meant by what I said.

You assume that you can't get him in 2 months. You could. You could also not. If you said i don't know if i can get him I'd not have said what I said.

I don't have to reiterate every inch of your statement to be addressing it. The part you insist on pointing out makes no change to what I'm saying.

And you still insist upon arguing against the comments that weren't directed towards you as though every comment in this thread should only be about you.

No. Once a thread is made anyone who comments becomes as much a part of the thread as the original poster and they don't have to be addressing the op to be on topic.

Just wanted to say that it took me less than a year to farm Greivous to 7* and that was largely BEFORE Fleet was even an option. Even once Fleet started up, I still only bought four or five shipments of him from it, the rest still came from shard shop.

I am sure there is good info in this thread, and I started to read it, but then:

Multiple Walls of Text crit me for 9000 each.