I'm wondering what everyone thinks about this: I feel like Zorii Bliss could use a nerf, or at least a "no GL" clause.She cost me my second matchup of last week's bracket.. swgoh.gg shows a 77% success rate against her with CLS (with the specific team comp I was facing: OG Finn, OG Poe, omiRose, Resistance Trooper, omiZorii), so I ran my CLS squad which is pretty decent, and there were thicc crons on both side. She absolutely curb stomped my CLS without breaking a sweat. Then my Wampa with prot up DC (hail mary attempt), and even SEE with WT. I also just watched a Songeta video from a month where she annihilated a JKR/JKL squad and even LV. (She had the Zorii DC in that video.) And none of these battles were even close, at all. Took JMK to take her out.Why does Traya get the axe against (dark side) GLs immediately, but a marquee character is allowed to persist at this power level? If anything, Traya should be at a higher power level, and it seems inconsistent for Zorii plus a bunch of old characters to be this OP in the meta.Aside from whether or not you think she should be nerfed, general ideas and suggestions for accessible counters would be appreciated. It currently looks like the main non-GL teams that have any kind of consistent good win rate against Zorii are Aphra, SK, or Reva (unfortunately can't factor in DC impact from swgoh.gg). I have SK but usually I need him on anti-GL duty, as well as SEE.

Think it's fine. Having a new team beat an old team is not terrible.

Yes, but a double omi team with a sufficiently powerful datacron does require a significant level of investment. Omicrons at the moment are about the rarerest mats in the game, and theres no telling just how much theory crafting had to go in to using Zorii et al for those counters. It seemed as though the problem with Traya wasn't that it made a counter possible, but rather that it made a counter near certain at far lower investment, without specific datacrons too. If these resistance teams are r7 across the board with the counter being time limited by datacrons and requiring multiple omicrons, as well as however many zetas, that would seem reasonable for a short term shake-up to the power rankings IMO.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2432572" wrote:One thing I’m confused about from your original post…How did you establish that the CLS win rate was 77% against teams that had both the Rose and Zori omicrons? Surely swgoh.gg just shows the stats against the 5 toon lineup, rather than being specific about when the squad has one or two omicrons? I don't have it so I don't know how granular it gets, but the paid version of gg does allow you to do some pretty crazy filtering from what I've heard.

"DarjeloSalas;c-2432572" wrote:One thing I’m confused about from your original post…How did you establish that the CLS win rate was 77% against teams that had both the Rose and Zori omicrons? Surely swgoh.gg just shows the stats against the 5 toon lineup, rather than being specific about when the squad has one or two omicrons? Insights allows you to specify omicrons. However, if you select multiple, it sadly does an OR operation.That said, I'm not sure I understand where OP got 77% either. Here's what I found based on the team Finn team comp vs CLS from season 40 (I didn't specify any zetas or DCs because I didn't want more work).

"KDC99X;c-2432577" wrote:@Ragnarok_COTF - if I'm reading that correctly, is that saying that against comps with BOTH omis, the win rate is closer to 53%??Dang... I may need to get insight. :# Insights is a game changer, imo. I don't have to pay for it because my guild does. But if I had to choose between Insights and HU... I'd probably go with Insights.

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Joebo720
2 years ago
Think it's fine. Having a new team beat an old team is not terrible.
notthatguybefor
2 years ago
Yes, but a double omi team with a sufficiently powerful datacron does require a significant level of investment. Omicrons at the moment are about the rarerest mats in the game, and theres no telling just how much theory crafting had to go in to using Zorii et al for those counters. It seemed as though the problem with Traya wasn't that it made a counter possible, but rather that it made a counter near certain at far lower investment, without specific datacrons too. If these resistance teams are r7 across the board with the counter being time limited by datacrons and requiring multiple omicrons, as well as however many zetas, that would seem reasonable for a short term shake-up to the power rankings IMO.
tvsfrink
2 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2432572" wrote:
One thing I’m confused about from your original post…

How did you establish that the CLS win rate was 77% against teams that had both the Rose and Zori omicrons? Surely swgoh.gg just shows the stats against the 5 toon lineup, rather than being specific about when the squad has one or two omicrons?

I don't have it so I don't know how granular it gets, but the paid version of gg does allow you to do some pretty crazy filtering from what I've heard.
ccmoose
Rising Novice
2 years ago
"DarjeloSalas;c-2432572" wrote:
One thing I’m confused about from your original post…

How did you establish that the CLS win rate was 77% against teams that had both the Rose and Zori omicrons? Surely swgoh.gg just shows the stats against the 5 toon lineup, rather than being specific about when the squad has one or two omicrons?

Insights allows you to specify omicrons. However, if you select multiple, it sadly does an OR operation.

That said, I'm not sure I understand where OP got 77% either. Here's what I found based on the team Finn team comp vs CLS from season 40 (I didn't specify any zetas or DCs because I didn't want more work).
ccmoose
Rising Novice
2 years ago
"KDC99X;c-2432577" wrote:
@Ragnarok_COTF - if I'm reading that correctly, is that saying that against comps with BOTH omis, the win rate is closer to 53%??

Dang... I may need to get insight. :#

Insights is a game changer, imo. I don't have to pay for it because my guild does. But if I had to choose between Insights and HU... I'd probably go with Insights.
ccmoose
Rising Novice
2 years ago
"TVF;c-2432584" wrote:
with that said, what's the guild version - is it like HU where if a few people get it then the guild gets stuff too?

I'm not entirely sure. I just know our guild has a friendly whale that paid .gg something that grants our entire guild access to premium .gg features (Insights, at least, maybe not all).
Shadowscream77
New Spectator
2 years ago
CLS is better than 77% if you’ve got an appropriate datacron on…..I was in a rush so just Auto’d an R7 Zorii team with CLS + a lvl 5 H+P cron on my team with high CD
KDC99-X
Rising Rookie
2 years ago
Did the opposing Zorii have a DC, or no?

I did have that specific DC3 on as I said above, but so did they. I could never make enough headway to take anyone down and eventually the momentum turned against me.
Whatelse73
Seasoned Veteran
2 years ago
Dr Aphra also deals some significant trouble to Zorii teams.
KDC99-X
Rising Rookie
2 years ago
Not so that it can’t counter ever, but to not be as dominant as it is.

Power level should be roughly equivalent to the level of investment.