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I agree with jkray's assessment. You have to be careful with effective starting turn meter calculations, because the 317.7 speed you are getting for CLS doesn't actually occur right away. His speed isn't modified, he is getting tm AFTER another Rebel is hit. Which means Bastila goes before it happens. Opponent's Revan is still faster, so has more tm when Bastila takes her turn. They bolth get bumped to 100% at the same time, so it's 50-50 who goes next.
As jkray pointed out, if you are using a non-Rebel who gets hit, CLS gains nothing.
I would say you may have just been lucky for those preceding battles (or your opponent recently upgraded the team's speed).
where did you get that 317.7 speed thing?
i said it happened when yoda hit rebels. i didn't count when thrawan was first target.
you know what funny thing is?
when my cls was 282 speed that 50-50 senario happened.
after my cls hit 283, it has never happened for weeks.
just assume it's 2 weeks.
its probability is 0.3^14×100=0.00000478%
plz don't say it was just a luck. that's nonsense.
i hope you consult people with common sense bro.
- GladOS-0137 years agoHero (Retired)Hi @aprillier !
Please remember that the volunteers who work this board do so because we like helping. Also remember that according to the board rules, personal attacks are not allowed. Just because you disagree with crzdroid's assertion does not mean he's wrong, nor does it mean you should insult him.
Unfortunately, your probability numbers (0.3^14) are highly inaccurate. It would require the following assumptions:
1. You fought this opponent once per day every day for 14 in a row.
2. In all 14 days, CLS never got to go before Revan.
3. You checked all mods on every character before every battle to ensure the relative speeds remained consistent (for example, what if your opponent moves mods around for HSith raid, and sometimes has different speed ratios?)
Anytime that GMY attacks CLS or Thrawn (remember, Learn Control won't trigger when CLS is attacked, since it only triggers on "other" Rebels) needs to be removed from the equation, because there's no probability there. So 30% of 14 battles is 4.2, so I'll round that to 4. Of the remaining 10 times that GMY hits R2, Han, or Chewie, there's a 50% chance of the coin flip.
So the math is closer to 0.5^10 x 100 = 0.097%. While still an "unlikely" number, it is definitely possible. (Side note, even 0.00000478% is still possible. The odds of winning the Powerball lottery are about 10x lower than that, yet some people still win.)
Since probability doesn't "stack" - your chance of GMY going before Revan tomorrow (assuming the same opponent, and a GMY that attacks Han, Chewie, or R2) is still 50% - not 99.9%.
If you truly believe CLS is not gaining turn meter properly, can you please record some of your battles and post them here (or on Youtube and put the link here) so we can review. If the battle is on 1x speed, it should be fairly easy for us to watch CLS turn meter bar when GMY attacks, and determine if his tm is increasing as expected.
Thanks, and have a great day! - crzydroid7 years agoHero (Retired)
My apologies for the transcription error. The "effective starting speed" calculation for a 283 CLS gaining 10% is 314.4...but like I said, you can't use that because other people get tm boosts at the same time.
My common sense tells me to not "just assume" something is two weeks. Do you have a record of how many battles you didn't go first? Sometimes our perception distorts things. You say before you added 1 speed, you were getting turns, which tells me you won the 50-50 toss up some of the time (assuming your change in speed is a coincidence).
The best thing you could do is next time you battle this opponent, take a video. Then you can review it and see if you are just losing an rng toss up. If CLS is below 100% tm on Revan's turn or otherwise did not appear to gain tm from another Rebel being hit, then something is fishy.
- 7 years ago
i understand you guys are trying to make sure precise circumstances.
and i know it is reqiured to solve this issue.
but plz don't assume im complaining this cause of lack of knowledge about this game.
i know i can't get bonus turn when thrawn or cls hit because it means me losing that match.
and the opponent is always 1st place right before my payout, so i can say the case satisfies all of your 3 condition. i have to fight against his squad everyday and it isn't inevitable.
so, it means i had more than 1 fight per day since it didn't work.
so we should multiply that unlikely probability by my 3~4 attempt to win. and i can also confirm i never had lucky 50 since i reported this.
i wish this is bug, if not it means swgoh programmers did their work very poorly.
ps) your calculation is correct because we are discussing on 50-50 occasion. my bad.
ps) i didn't want to insult him. but i agreed i was aggressive because i felt he thought me kind of dumb who didn't grasp the state. sorry about that.
ps)i will figure out the way record against his squad.
- GladOS-0137 years agoHero (Retired)
@aprillier wrote:
i know i can't get bonus turn when thrawn or cls hit because it means me losing that match.
****
ps)i will figure out the way record against his squad.
I clarified the "CLS + Thrawn" in my previous post because you had earlier said: "i said it happened when yoda hit rebels. i didn't count when thrawan was first target." I wanted to make sure you understood that anytime Yoda hit CLS it also didn't count, because your statement seemed to exclude him from consideration. I'm just trying to be precise so we all are on the same page!
I'm not sure about Android, but iOS devices have native screen recording functions built in. You can then uplaod the video directly (if it's small) or to Youtube and share a link.
crzydroid and I are just trying to help! 🙂
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