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SerWulfgar's avatar
2 years ago
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Mace Windu targeting error

Product: Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes
Platform:Android Phone
What type of device are you experiencing the issue with? Xiaomi
OS Version 12 SP1A.210812.016
Ally Code: (Find it here: http://bit.ly/AllyCode ) 498242369
What type of issue do you have? Gameplay
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
Summarize your bug Daze prevents Mace Windu from targeting allied JMK with "this party is over" ability
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Compose a team of JMK and Windu (other characters are irrelvant), and ensure that both of them get dazed. Then try to use Windu's this party is over abillity. If everyone is dazed he will perform the ability without character selection, and if there is at least 1 character without daze you will be allowed to sleect an ally, but JMK with daze is invalid for selection anyway.
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So the issue here is, and it needs to be stated as a disclaimer: Daze preventing the player from selecting a character was, is and remains to be utterly stupid. It is also inconsistent with Deadly bluff by Boushh Leia. If a player forgets that a character would not come to assist, it should be on the player. Currently the game is trying to babysit the player by denying the option of selecting dazed characters. It is not just stupid and inconsistent, but it is also buggy as hell, and has created several bug reports in the past.

This current bug report is about the game not recognizing JMK-s unique ability "May the Force be with you" if it is not JMK-s turn. The cited ability states that if JMK targets an ally it will come with a cleanse first, and if JMK gets targeted by an ally it also would come with a cleanse first.

So if JMK is dazed and Mace Windu is dazed JMK can use "I will do what I must" and the game allows everyone to be selected as target, including the dazed windu, because it recognizes there would be a cleanse first.

On the other hand Windu can not target any dazed character. He should be able to target JMK, and grant him Mastery, TM swap and a call for assist as well, because all this would happen with a cleanse first.

Follow the link for a brief visual presentation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMI_FD_S4Hc

  • Who are we kidding here exactly.

    Takes you guys more than one week to reply a relatively complex bug with "this is WAI, because.... ruuuuules might work differently for different characters, because that's how rules work but we are not explaining it in details. That's also a rule."

    It absolutely reads as "Yeah, we have no clue how to fix it, lets just say it is wai, and close the case"

    Fine by me btw, who am I to argue, just stop fooling around.

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  • animatedmi87's avatar
    animatedmi87
    New Vanguard
    2 years ago

    Alright, So I see the issue here. But still unfortunately I doubt this is a bug. JMK can target who he wishes when calling allies to assist because his assists will result in a cleanse with no outside intervention, so his targeting ignores Daze when looking for an assist. When Windu uses his assist, The game doesn't expect to have outside factors remove the cleanse, so Windu's ability doesn't have the flag that ignores Daze. Which still means that JMK cannot be targeted to get the cleanse. This is less of a bug and more a core game inconsistency issue. 

    Also I am not perfect, I am trying to help out the best I can, and only read the first half of the unique dealing with others targeting JMK, as that was the core issue. I apologize for the mistake, but that does not help your core issue either, which is that because Mace Windu by himself cannot guarantee his target will not have daze after targeting them with the assist, he cannot target allies with daze. most likely the only thing the game can tell is that Mace Windu cannot cleanse the ally assisting, where JMK and units with Strategic Advantage can cleanse the ally without having to look at any other unit.

  • SerWulfgar's avatar
    SerWulfgar
    2 years ago

    Finally we are speaking galactic basic.

    I am not too much concerned about naming it a bug or core game inconsistency, I dont think the latter does any favor to the situation.

    JMK's unique is active during Windu's turn and should be recognized as such. i can imagine it might be a major change in the code but I dont quite care.

    I think it is a flawed view of the world to say windu cannot grant the cleanse by himself. (And JMK can.) Windu is not a person it is just a bunch of ones and zeroes and if JMK's unique is affecting another characters ability it should be coded as such from every possible aspect. The unique ability is indeed outside the special ability, inside the pack of abilities we can call a character kit, and again inside the whole team. Why would you choose to take the 2nd floor as a base? It's not logical nor is it consistent as I stated above. Negligence is not a bug per se, but we dont have to accept the WAI judgement either.

    Targeting restriction is stupid, and inconsistent. Think about darth revan one more time. Can you, or can you not call an assist against him? What happens when you try it? Does the game override your command, because it is darth revan? If so, why does the cleansing/buffs apply? If it is still a valid targeting despite the fact that the assist would not occur, why is daze different?

  • animatedmi87's avatar
    animatedmi87
    New Vanguard
    2 years ago

    You can target an ally when you are calling someone to assist when the target is Darth Revan because the act of assisting is blocked, not the act of choosing an ally. The game only checks if the ally can currently assist is currently able to do so, and that target is not factored until the act of assisting is executed. Daze inhibits who you can choose because regardless of who the target is, unless the unit calling them to assist can also cleanse them at the same time, they cannot preform the action of assisting. in this situation only the act of assisting is blocked, so in this case Mace would swap turn meter with whoever you choose, they just don't get called to assist (Assuming Revan had shatterpoint)

    Windu being separate form JMK matters here, as most likely the characters are standalone chunks that don't read each other, but read what the others output and respond accordingly. In this situation, It means the Mace Wundu chunk cannot see into JMK and his passive, and acts as if it isn't there as it won't always be there. However JMK can read into his own block, and can target allies accordingly because no matter who is on his team, as long as they have the valid tags they are a valid target.

  • SerWulfgar's avatar
    SerWulfgar
    2 years ago

    So very nice of them that they read into DR's kit though...

    Core game inconsistency, as you said?

  • animatedmi87's avatar
    animatedmi87
    New Vanguard
    2 years ago

    it doesn't read into DR's kit. like I said, One block says something and the rest respond accordingly. here,  Mace says "Hey, Ally. Time to assist", Then Darth Revan says "You can't assist against me" and the assist never happens

  • SerWulfgar's avatar
    SerWulfgar
    2 years ago

    Again, you are missing the point. Or ignore it to prove something.

    I do understand how the targeting works, I am arguing that it is stupid AF.

    The description of Daze says it prevents assist and TM gain.

    When it comes to complex abilities (Eh you do it by Bindo or Watch and Learn by Ezra just to name a few) you cannot select a dazed ally. That's a fact, that's the stupid part. Daze should not be able to prevent you from buffs, or heals.

    But supposedly this is alright, because they would not come to assist and hence you cannot select them.

    But you can select them if you cleanse them because then they come to assist.

    But but you can still select them if they would not come to assist.

    You can target an ally with complex assist abilities in 5 cases when they would NOT assist:

    a) if they are hard stunned

    b) if they are feared

    c) if the opponent is DR

    d) if they have deadly bluff

    e) if you are JML.

    Please note that e) is not a cleansing ability (inherited teachings)

    You cannot target an ally with a complex assist ability in 1 case when they would NOT come to assist:

    a) It is dazed and the ability does not come with a cleanse

    You cannot target an ally with a complex assist ability in 1 case when they should come to assist:

    a) The cleanse would come from JMK.

    this is the current state of the game, and this is NOT a rule, this is almost a case-by-case resolution.

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