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SerWulfgar's avatar
5 years ago
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Vader leadership ability issue

Product: Star Wars: Galaxy of Heroes
Platform:Android Phone
What type of device are you experiencing the issue with? Xiaomi
OS Version 10 QJQ1.190828.002
Ally Code: (Find it here: http://bit.ly/AllyCode ) 498242369
What type of issue do you have? Gameplay
How often does the bug occur? Every time (100%)
Summarize your bug There is a slight discrepancy with the wording of the Vader L ability and its actual mechanics.
Steps: How can we find the bug ourselves? Play Vader-L against jedi training rey and analyze her turn meter gain.
Connection Type Wifi
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Country Hungary

The wording states the disappearing dots are being regained immediately, "immediately" being the operative word here.

Vader actually reapplies the dots at the end of the turn, which does make a huge difference with certain characters. JTR is a fine example but there are many abilities that depend on the presence of debuffs.

I know that other people have showcased Vader vs Jedi Training Rey but to my knowledge nobody pointed out that the mechanic does not fit the description.

First of all, the dots do expire at the start of the turn, that's quite factual. If JTR was to regain immediately, nobody would care, as her TM is at 100%.

However, she will regain the DOTs at the end of her turn, which contradicts the description.

By doing so she will gain 8% TM for each DOT, because at the end of her turn her TM is already depleted.

Worth to mention that JTR's zeta might kick in, dispelling the dot, which then will be reapplied by Vader, which can result in an endless loop, assuming that the 40% chance keeps kicking in. Also, this can result in JTR gaining 100% TM from a single dot, assuming she dispels it 12 times back to back.

Ultimately, this can result in JTR taking infinite turns back to back, and if she has at least 13 dots which can easily happen in conquest this is not RNG dependent anymore.

While it is generally true, that endless loops do go against the spirit of the game, the real problem is the misleading description of the leader ability, which could easily be fixed with a simple text update.

  • Hi guys, 

    The team have been investigating the interaction between Darth Vader and Jedi Training Rey for some time. They have been looking at possible solutions.

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  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    When a character takes a turn, their tm drops to 0 at the start. It is possible for characters to gain tm during their turn.

    In any case, there would be no loop as she gains 8% tm when another Resistance ally gets a debuff, not herself.

  • When a character takes a turn, their TM bar is full.

    If what you are stating is correct, then it's a visual bug.

    On my screen they only deplete their TM when you (or the ai) select an ability. The expiration of the debuffs happens before this.

  • Also, may I point out that even if you are correct, and the TM gain is WAI, thr buffs are still not present during the characters turn, despite the fact that they should be refreshed immediately. This results in a different behavior when it comes to rushing strike (ezra) or honor guard (Zeb), the negotiator (GK) and possibly many more abilities.

  • EA_UltraSlide's avatar
    EA_UltraSlide
    Icon for EA Staff rankEA Staff
    5 years ago

    Hi guys, 

    The team have been investigating the interaction between Darth Vader and Jedi Training Rey for some time. They have been looking at possible solutions.

  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    Are the back to back turns in conquest?

    At any rate, the only bug I know of is that she would cleanse herself on the re-apply. Maybe there is some other thing now; I honestly haven't seen JTR on defense in a long time.

    Going to 0 on using an ability is what I meant. That is how characters gain tm from their own abilities during their turn (ie, can happen if they get multiple attacks). I still don't see how an infinite loop is WAI with her unique. If there is a loop bug, it is something beyond a wording issue.

  • Yes it happened in conquest, but I managed it anyway.

    I dont see how cleansing the reapply is a bug, for me that seems wai.

    The problem of Vader reapplying the dots at the end of the turn rather then immediately is still persistent. Lets assume, that the interaction with jtr is a bug and will be handled in the future, it still effects a list of characters in the game.

    You may compare it to the HT which does indeed regain taunt immediately if the conditions are met.

  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    So when the dots apply is a question of semantics, and it wouldn't be the first issue with ability wordings. 

    The thing with Resistance getting loops in conquest is most likely because of the modifier, which gives resistance 10% tm when they gain a buff, and they gain above whenver an enemy resists them as well. Or something to that effect; I don't remember the exact mechanics. But it is likely the modifier that is causing the tm gain you are seeing. 

  • The modifier only affects the allied Leader who happens to be Bigforehead Rey and not JTR.

    Question of semantics.... Yeah, i think immediately means immediately and not the end of the turn. With this wording it's barely debatable. Hence the suggestion to change the wording.

  • crzydroid's avatar
    crzydroid
    Hero (Retired)
    5 years ago

    The only time I've seen GL Rey was on her boss node; didn't realize you were talking about that battle.

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