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@bi0hzrd As an experiment, please try setting Dynamic Super Resolution in the Nvidia Control Panel to 1.78, and then to 4, which on a 1080p monitor force the GPU to render the game at 2560x1440 and 3840x2160, respectively. I'm curious whether you see the same results at these resolutions since you don't at lower ones. This isn't a fix, or at least I doubt it would, more of an experiment. You can set DSR for Sims 3 only (TS3.exe for an EA App install, TS3W.exe for a Steam install), under Manage 3D Settings > Program Settings, so as not to affect anything else on your computer.
If you want to go the more drastic route, there's also a DXVK tool that's been helping some other users. I haven't tried it myself, but for those who have, they say the game is more stable and can use more VRAM. That wouldn't directly fix your issue, but it might get around whatever the problem is. In case you want to test it:
https://www.tumblr.com/nornities/751283334185959424/how-to-use-dxvk-with-the-sims-3?source=share
Undoing the changes would be as simple as deleting the added files and repairing the game, so it's not a huge risk.
- 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict I have DXVK installed. I followed this guide step by step to install it. The only thing is, I don't remember if I disabled DEP for the game. I will check that. For MemCacheBudgetValue, I set different values: 1GB, 2GB, and -1 (unlimited). The best option for me turned out to be 1GB because the game crashes with other values. I also tried not changing this line at all and leaving the default values.
Thank you, I will try testing your resolution advice and will definitely let you know what results it gives. - 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict So, I did what we talked about. I turned off DEP and set DSR to 1.78. Now everything is fine with the icons. They appear quickly and don’t disappear, including all Sims and NPCs. I don't know what exactly affected this - disabling DEP or enabling DSR. The only problem that remains is the loading worlds. As I mentioned above, worlds take longer to load than they should, even on repeated loading (specifically after some time has passed). It doesn't matter whether I choose a new game or a saved game; it still takes longer to load. Do you have any ideas on what can be done about this? Thanks in advance for all the work you do for regular players.
- 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict I will try to explain the problem with loading towns differently. Look. If delete the town's caches, it will take longer to load because the game doesn't have it in its "memory" and it has to load it. After the first load of the town, a cache is created, and logically, when re-enter the town, it should load much faster. That's how it happened with me. The first load of the town takes 2-3 minutes, and the repeated one - about 40 seconds. BUT. If some time passes (in my case, several hours), the town loads as if I'm launching it for the first time, that is, not 40 seconds as it should, but again 2-3 minutes. At the same time, the town's caches remain and don't disappear; I don't delete them. This happens both with starting a new game and with saving.
- 2 years ago@puzzleaddict I noticed that while the town is loading, the progress bar seems to stop at the very end (the tips still change, but the bar doesn't fill up with green). Previously, the loading bar would stop somewhere in the middle for a few seconds, then quickly reach the end without stopping. In general, the loading of all towns stops at the very end, causing a long loading time. Do you have any ideas what might be causing this?
- 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict I noticed that while the town is loading, the progress bar seems to stop at the very end (the tips still change, but the bar doesn't fill up with green). Previously, the loading bar would stop somewhere in the middle for a few seconds, then quickly reach the end without stopping. In general, the loading of all towns stops at the very end, causing a long loading time. Do you have any ideas what might be causing this?
- puzzlezaddict2 years agoHero+
@bi0hzrd I would find it fascinating if using DSR was what fixed the icons, so please test that and DEP separately and let me know what you find. (DEP shouldn't be necessary anyway, but now I'm curious.)
For the world loading times, it's pretty clear that the WorldCache folder is the issue, but not why the game isn't reading it. I'd suggest testing without DXVK just to make sure this isn't a side effect of that utility—it's very new, at least in terms of wider use, and any problems with it aren't well-documented yet. Deleting the files and repairing the game is enough to revert the changes, although that would revert your .sgr files as well as anything else in the program files, so make backups if you don't want to redo any edits you've applied.
If you've made other edits too, please skip them for at least one round of testing. That applies to any .sgr edits not directly related to getting your GPU recognized as well. I realize that it's kind of a hassle to set everything up just the way you like it, but this is such an odd error, with no known cause I can find that we haven't already covered, it's time to eliminate as many variables as possible.
I'd also suggest trying to play with your computer completely offline. And just for fun, see how much this mod decreases a new save's initial loading time (Sims Asylum, so you'd need to sign in to download it):
Some of that first loading time is directly related to placing these lots, although not all of it. So I'd like to know how much of the problem is this and how much is the WorldCache data not being read.
- 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict I tested the game separately with DEP disabled and separately with DSR enabled. I can say that DSR fixed the issue with the icons, which still surprises me because I don't understand how it could be related. Thank you so much for the helpful tip; I would never have thought of it myself!
Regarding the town caches: I tried testing the game in this regard without DXVK and without any modified settings (both with and without using the GPU-Addon) and the problem still persists.
Sure, I will download this mod and set my computer to offline mode. I will definitely write here later with the results. Thanks again. - 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict So, I checked this mod, and to be honest, I can't say it helped much. The town loaded in 2 minutes and 13 seconds, and as I noticed before, the loading bar got stuck at the very end again, which, once more, caused the long loading time because at first, the loading bar fills up quickly.
I also tried playing in offline mode, but unfortunately, there were no results. - 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict So, I tried the mod again and it worked. I don't know why there was no result during my first testing. This mod really reduces loading time and the difference is noticeable. Thank you for the link. Could you please tell me what conclusion we can draw from all this?
- puzzlezaddict2 years agoHero+
@bi0hzrd I read through this thread and the one at NRaas again in case I missed anything, and I have a couple questions and suggestions that might feel redundant to you, but I want to make absolutely sure I'm not overlooking any possible sources of error. So please bear with me.
As I mentioned before, a lot of the longer loading time for a new save is due to the game trying to place the EP lots in the world. (Part is probably creating WorldCache data, but I'm not sure how much.) As you can imagine, this takes some calculating. I don't know why the game would be calculating this again in an existing save; that's not standard behavior and I've never seen it do so myself, at least as far as I can remember. But the fundamental problem very much seems to be a failure to read certain files, so not reading whatever data says "this process has already happened" is in line with everything else.
This reasoning of course only applies to existing saves, not new ones. The default behavior is that a new save should take extra time to load regardless of whether you've previously loaded that same world, again due to placing those EP lots. If you're seeing brand-new saves take the minimum amount of time to load, but only within a few hours of the last time you loaded that world, that's the oddity, although to be honest I haven't tested this myself. So I can't say that this is unique to you rather than a random glitch built into the game. I will test myself a little later.
A couple suggestions though: First, you can try running Sims 3 as an admin, as in, right-click the executable or its shortcut and select "Run as administrator." (Having an admin account allows this function but doesn't apply it by default.) Please also make sure that Windows Defender's Controlled Folder Access hasn't reenabled itself. Here's a guide in case it helps:
https://crinrict.com/blog/2019/03/windows-10-defender-controlled-folder-access.html
Please also let me know if you've moved the location of Documents, or created a symbolic link to redirect the Sims 3 user folder. Essentially, I'd like to know if the user folder is stored anywhere other than the default C:\Users\your username\Documents\Electronic Arts. And what kind of install do you currently have? I know you tried a few, all with the same problems; this is just in case I need to reference something platform-specific.
Your GPU can definitely handle the increased load of setting DSR to 1.78, i.e. rendering Sims 3 at 1440p, so there's no reason not to keep doing that if you're satisfied with the results.
- 2 years ago
@puzzlezaddictI always run the game as an administrator, so that part is fine. I will check if Windows Defender is blocking access to the folder and will write later about what I find out.
Yes, my Documents folder is located on drive D instead of drive C, BUT I also tested the game by installing it on drive C (with the Documents folder also on drive C), but unfortunately, this didn’t yield any results. Currently, I have the Steam version installed.
- 2 years ago
@puzzlezaddictI followed the guide exactly as instructed. After that, I entered the game, saved it by choosing a random family, and then logged back in after 2 hours. Yes, the game loaded again as if I was launching it for the first time.
I noticed something else: it seems that the problem is not only with WorldCaches but also with the fact that my game stops reading the Mods folder after some time. That's why the mod you recommended above didn't work for me during the first test. So, the game sees the mods because they work in the game itself, but apparently, some of them stop working after re-entering the game after some time. For example, I chose Bridgeport, and it loaded again for 2-3 minutes, with the loading stopping right at the end. This means the mod isn’t working, even though I haven’t touched or deleted it at all. I closed the game through Task Manager and re-entered it, after deleting the town cache that had been created, and the town loaded in just a few seconds. This time, the mod was working, and the loading bar didn’t stop at the end. Very strange things are happening with my game. - 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict Does it make sense to reinstall Windows? I'm not planning to do it right now, but if the issue with the game doesn't get resolved, then I'm sure it's some problem with the system.
- puzzlezaddict2 years agoHero+
@bi0hzrd I don't think there's a good reason to reinstall Windows right now by itself. The only times I suggest it are when a system appears broken on a fundamental level, for example when basic repair commands throw errors that can't be addressed; or when the user is so tired of testing, or the testing is getting so time-consuming, that it would be simpler to reinstall Windows; or when it's a new computer and there isn't a lot of data to replace or reinstall.
If you're at the point where reinstalling Windows is easier than troubleshooting anymore, that's reasonable. But it's entirely your call and somewhat subjective. The other part of this is that aside from suggesting you try another new Windows account, now that you've made other changes, I'm out of ideas, and it sounds like you might be too.
Still, I'd suggest a repair install before entirely wiping the system:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/16397-repair-install-windows-10-place-upgrade.html
It doesn't take that much time and shouldn't delete your data, although if you get to step 13 and are not prompted to keep personal files and apps, back out and start over.
- 2 years ago@puzzlezaddict Thank you for your patience and for all the tips you've given. I appreciate this and all the work you do for so many people. Have a great day.
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