attractiveness system what we hope in the future

"MaggieMarley;c-18150903" wrote:
I would like an attractiveness system which incorporates what physical attributes and non physical attributes (e.g. traits, skills, perhaps even aspirations, careers etc) your sim is attracted to in a partner.

It would be neat if this was randomised for born in game sims (along with sexual/romantic orientation) so that you can just go where the game takes you and be guided by your sim (of course with the option to edit your sim's preferences/orientation for those who have set preferences in mind for their sim). Although maybe I wouldn't want it to be totally random - perhaps it should be somewhat based on what traits your sim has- good sims are more likely to find goodness attractive in other sims? Though, having said that, I quite like the idea of a good sim who is secretly attracted to evil sims.

Or perhaps there could just be a 'randomise' button that you could press in order to have the game select random attributes etc for your sim to be attracted to.

More or less the same for me.

I'd want physical traits to be relatively minor in the long run. When your sim is out and about, they won't autonomously flirt with a sim who doesn't at least have one physical characteristic they like, and NPC's won't react to your sim's flirty introduction unless you have at least one trait they like. Once your sim gets to know another sim, it should be based on other traits/skills/etc.

Also, to minimize body shaming, body type shouldn't be on the list. And maybe not weight (fitness I'm iffy on.) Just Hair color, eye color... and maybe facial and body hair as a Yes/No.

To be a gameplay dweeb, what would attractiveness actually do mechanically? Increase relationship/mood behind the scenes to make interactions more likely to succeed? Increase relationship gain from successful socials? Make autonomous romance more likely when targeting sims with attractive traits? Unless you make romance without attractiveness buffs harder to compensate (not something I'd be overly bothered with, mind), I'm not seeing how this adds much real gameplay over tickable boxes for the sake of tickable boxes.

Occult inclusion.

i want to have sims that find vlad hissing hot and sims that simply cannot resist Gregs fluffy fur and growls

but also sims that would find both very ew
and option to find humans very ew as well

id also like to choose traits sims like or dislike in other sims

like maybe your sim could never ever fall for a slob or maybe they cannot stand cheerful sims or something

"ScarletSimEater;c-18150936" wrote:
To be a gameplay dweeb, what would attractiveness actually do mechanically? Increase relationship/mood behind the scenes to make interactions more likely to succeed? Increase relationship gain from successful socials? Make autonomous romance more likely when targeting sims with attractive traits? Unless you make romance without attractiveness buffs harder to compensate (not something I'd be overly bothered with, mind), I'm not seeing how this adds much real gameplay over tickable boxes for the sake of tickable boxes.

Mechanically it should make romance harder when the sim isn't attracted to the target sim. Neighborhood stories should also take attraction into account when coupling sims up (I have NS off, so I have no idea if it even does couple up sims.) For players who value surprises attraction could also help them choose partners for their sims, maybe some they wouldn't have considered otherwise.

I'd advise against choosing only two turn-ons and one turn off (Sims 2 style). I used to play with Wonderful Whims (the predecessor mod actually) and only chose four attractive elements for my sim, leading to him going from not being attracted to a simgirl at all to absolutely falling for her when he saw her in her gymn clothes because one of the turn ons was the color green.

Something that integrates into the relationship system and traits would be great too.

like a sim that isn't attracted to anyone, except for their good/best friend because of a few factors like being the right gender, complimenting traits, and a high enough relationship bar. And this could be done in a way that compliments the sexual/romantic orientation update as well as senitments.

Something like "this sim only experiences romantic attraction/wants to woohoo when they have a strong relationship to another- yes or no" which would take into account the options we're already getting. And the strong relationship doesn't have to mean a positive one either, imagine the chaos of a sim suddenly finding their mortal enemy hot?

I mean, sure, I generally play my sims as double demi anyway...but having it be a gameplay function would be nice...

I don't want a superficial attractiveness system. I don't want it to be all about physical beauty. Attraction to superficial appearances should be in the system for creating certain types of characters, but so should attraction to intellectual, artistic, humanitarian, social qualities. A lot of people are attracted to a sense of humor. Some people may find creativity attractive, or intellectual pursuits. I'm attracted to people who enjoy nature. Others may find someone who is compassionate or empathetic attractive, I know I do. Common interests, say liking the same genre of movies or music. More things like that should be included instead of lots of physical attributes. The physical attributes should focus on things like eye color, hair color, as @DaWaterRat mentioned, not things like thin and fat. Yes, being attracted to bigger bodies is very positive and shouldn't be discouraged, but don't make thin and fat the be-all-end-all of attraction.

But I want to take it a step further and have primary and secondary points of attraction. Set the system up so we can say this particular turn on is more important and stronger than another. Don't limit it to just a couple of slots in the two tiers, or more even. Have like 3-5 different points of attraction in each tier and weight them. Primary points are twice as strong as secondary. You could even weight them within that tier. Have the first primary carry more importance than the third or fifth. Same for the secondary points.

I'm having a hard time tonight getting my mind focused because I'm really tired. After a good night's sleep I'm sure I can come up with more and better ideas. But this is a start.

I would want a system that works both with shallow things like hair color or eye color, but also with things such as traits, jobs, hobbies, occult, likes and dislikes. I wold build it on the basis of likes and dislikes, so my dislikes would be things that my sim are unattracted to (and make relationship building harder) and my likes would be things that my sim are attracted to (making relationship building easier and autonomic romance a thing).

My biggest wish though, and I know this won't happen in sims 4 but I still have hopes for sims 5, is that relationship building was one sided. Just because my sim is in love with someone doesn't mean that they are in love too. Having crushes or unrequited romance would be fantastic gameplay.

"comicsforlife;d-1001461" wrote:
attractiveness system in sims 2 were built on likes and dislikes
your sims had two things they like such as hair color and makeup and one dislike such as people who don't bath

sims 3 was based on how many skills your sims have if they were skilled everyone liked them
I mean who doesn't like someone with a lot of skills?

I think sims in sims 4 attractiveness system should be based on traits and likes and dislikes
as well as hobbies such as playing an instrument sims could like other sims who play guitar
or like someone they have something in common with like a sim who likes to cook ether because they like to eat such as
a foodie or gluten or because they like cooking

I would also like confess to cheating back and real consequences for doing so
I would love to hear what you guys think and what you want in the future.

Agreed on all.

"dbgaming07;c-18189257" wrote:
> @DaniRose2143 said:
> Are you using WonderfulWhims? I use it and I’ve seen the same thing. It doesn’t hurt their relationship from my experience. My favorite couple are head over heels in love and they think the other is basic looking. I only used WW because it allowed me to define each sims sexual orientation. Now all I use it for is a few cheats that are built in.

Nope. I do not have that mod because I have the Wicked one.


> @telemwill said:
> You get rid of it by deleting it from your mods folder.
>
> No, it isn't released by EA. The only way it could be in your game is if you added it to your mods folder.

What mod am I deleting?

Both of those mods are so closely related that’s still the likely culprit. It’s probably a conflict with another mod. I haven’t seen any negative effects on relationships for what it’s worth. My couple who finds each other basic looking is every bit as passionate as the couples who find each other very attractive. They still drop everything just to give their spouse a kiss, a hug, or do some sort of romantic social.

@DaniRose2143 the thread is up