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Pick-a-boo_doo
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16 days ago

[FR] Feedback about Payment System

Dear Sims Team
For Rent EP's new system has already some bug reports. This is related to multiple bug reports, so I post here as feedback.
The rental fee calculation system resets the values ​​when you restart the game, so even if you cut the timeline and check the save, you will not get the correct result.
The Remaining Lease Days in the Tenant Agreement panel are also reset at the same time, and will start counting down from the time you resume the save.
Furthermore, if you have not set Unit Rules, the Lease Days countdown will start from the move-in date, but the Rental Fee calculation specifies a Sunday as the payment date regardless of the day of the week you move in, so there will be a discrepancy between the Remaining Lease Days and payments.
First of all, it is predicted that there will be no hope of improving the issues with bills unless the billing amount and lease day counts are not reset when a save is restarted.
Next, regarding the delivery of bills.
This seems to be closely related to the 'Sort Junk Mail' action.
It seems that the action of 'obtaining and using a coupon' is the trigger for delivery of mail, so mail will not be delivered if you have the coupon. In other words, if you start the game from a residential rental house, Junk Mail will be delivered along with any other mail, so there is no way to obtain a coupon, and mail, let alone bills, will not be delivered.
The bill amount is calculated correctly, and the number of days until the lease date is counted down correctly. (I checked the game with the game running from after one payment to the next payment complete.)
The problem seems to be that it is reset when the game is restarted, Mail delivery is fixed on Mondays, the same as for Normal Residential house, and the trigger for delivery is the use of a coupon.
You have a great system in place and I really want it to work as intended.
sincerely yours

Edit May/17/2025:

I will delete the description about the delivery of mail. The reason is that in subsequent tests, events contrary to the description were confirmed, and at this time, I have not seen any events sufficient to explain it. I apologize for the confusion.

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  • Adding pics:
    I took a lot of pictures, so it took me a while to sort them out. I think I need pictures to make up for my poor English, so I'm attaching them here, even though it's a bit late. (I'm adding them as comments because they're quite large.)
    These pics were taken from data played under the following conditions:

    ・Start playing with a Normal Residential home to get a coupon
    ・Move in Residential Rental home on Monday after paid bills of previous Redidential home

    Tenant Agreement & Bills before exiting game

    Just after loaded abovee save file

    Then after travel, return home

    Next, the case play through Monday to Monday without exiting game
    Since I was going to be playing for a long time, I closed the game after making the payment, deleted the cache, and then loaded the save file. After that, I loaded the numbers using the above procedure and started playing.

    On Wednesday

    On Friday

    On next Monday (Pay Day) before getting Bills

    After paid Bills

    As you can see, the coding of the formula works correctly.
    However, as you can see in the third pic, if you save the game in the middle of the lease period and restart it, the Tenant Agreement is reset and it will think the day when you restart is the day you move in, and the mailbox will calculate the lease fee from the time you restart until the next payment date.
    In other words, the payment date is preset in the mailbox, and it does not reflect the lease period set in the Tenant Agreement.

  • Another information that play as Tenant:
    Condition
    ・Play as Tenant at Taka Soi 15 (with Premade Property Owner)
    ・Play through Sunday (move in day) to next Monday (Pay Day) - Not exit from game
    Result
    Tenant Sim can pay the Bills & Rent, and can get Grace Period.

     

    I saw the notification about Grace Period first time in this time. 

     

    This is that the true behavior of system running correctly, I think.
    But unfortunatly, the system is broken by the action of loading the save file in this test too.
    See comparison pics below:
    All left side is the case not exit game, and all right side is the case load save file.

     

    About the amout in the Bills & Utilities, you can see that the amount but rent fee not be influenced by loading the save file. It is possible that the reference for the rent fee when loading the file is broken, or the reference specification is broken.
    Even I, a programming novice, can figure this out from those pics, but I'm sure devs could figure out the problem in more detail.

  • I played as a landlord the first week I owned the game and found the gameplay extremely buggy and then I played as a tenant and it was chaos with all the rental events. I haven't played as either since the first week of owning the EP since it's been out.

  • rujuta4me's avatar
    rujuta4me
    Seasoned Veteran
    6 days ago

    Pick-a-boo_doo​  Thank you for not only sharing this information but also taking the time to make/share the screen shots, which were very helpful for me, personally!  And Thank you again,  Miataplay​ for sharing this thread with me!  Very informative! 

  • I was able to see the correct behavior of the payment system by playing without exitting game on the Taka Soi 15 lot where the Property Owner lives from the day moved in to the Pay Day. I wondered why I couldn't see the same behavior on the Residential Rental I made, so I tested it again on the Residential Rental I made.
    As a result, I could see if playing from moving in to the Pay Day without quitting the game, the Grace Period will start correctly and the Bills & Utilities will be delivered.
    Why couldn't I see it in the first test?
    In the first test, without realizing that loading a save file would reset the Rent Fee, and once had reached the Pay Day, then used that data started the test without quitting game through from moving in day to the Pay Day.
    But in this test, I play without quitting the game from starting game (moving in day) to first Pay Day.
    There's one possible, that once breaked payment system by loarding save file can't work.
    And one more thing I noticed.
    If compare ①:when starting from the premade RR house has Property Owner to ②:when starting from the RR house made by self, - the data both of them was able to get Grace Period -, the displayed amount about Bills & Utilities when moving in is defferent.

    In ① case (left side), the amout in Bills & Utilities displayed without traveling.
    Is it because the Property Owner exists in the world -Panya is hidden NPC-, or because the Property Owner lives in same Lot with Tenant?
    I don't remember which bug reports it was, but there's a comment mentioned about Property Owner's existance one of the report about payment as Tenant. So I think I'll need to test about that.

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