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i0luv0sup3rnatrl
Seasoned Rookie
3 months ago
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Didn't get a Noble Title After Marrying a Prince...Aren't We Supposed to?

My sim married the Capp Prince and didn't inherit his title for some reason. At the time of marriage, he was no longer an outcast but was still just a member of his father's dynasty. The sim who married him was a commoner with no title and remained title-less after the marriage was complete. Reloading the game didn't cause it to appear. I even tried clearing their marriage and then re-marrying twice more with the same result both times.

I've been going mad searching the internet about this. I've read that we're supposed to inherit titles through marriage with this pack, so if we marry a Prince, we should become a Princess. This didn't happen. Google's AI at the top of the search results kept mixing up the EP with the mod based on the same concept. It claimed that being opted out of fame during marriage, which I was, can cause a bug that prevents a title from appearing properly. However, I wasn't able to find search results that confirmed this to be the case with the EP specifically. I did step into fame before re-marrying, but as I said before it didn't help. In fact, I couldn't find search results about anyone else having this problem. 

I'm not using mods right now so I know that's not an issue, but it's getting to the point where I might try reinstalling MCCC if it's updated and force the proper title to appear if possible since no other cheats to do so are available. I know I can just join the career and auto promote to get the same effect, but it just bugs me that I can't have a normal career and still get a royal title labeled as inherited through marriage. I've played the pack for 2 days and it's already ruining my fun. Did I not get his title because he isn't the leader of his dynasty? Or is it a bug? Is anyone else having this problem (if it really is a bug) and do you know of a solution or any other work around besides the career?

  • Hi, I am so sorry you are experiencing this problem! It sounds so frustrating!

    A couple thoughts I have:

    1. Lord Virgilio Capp in the original new game save starts as an outcast of his dynasty. He inherited his title because of his father's position (Grand Duke Tybalt Capp). He doesn't have his own title so to speak, it's a title passed down by birth only. Also, his relationship with the Head of his dyansty (Tybalt) is in a really bad place. I am not sure if this impacts or not, but perhaps improving the relationship can help?

    2. If you put Virgilio in the Noble Career, he would have his own title by his Career choice. Perhaps this would then transfer to his spouse as well?

    3. Make sure the Head of the Dyansty (Tybalt) invites the Wife to become a Member of the Dynasty. 

    4. Just for reference, there are no Princes or Princesses in the game until there is A King/Queen. The Monarch's children will get the title of Prince or Princess. There can only be one Monarch. Their spouse and children automatically inherit titles based on their relationship with the Monarch.

    I hope this is a little helpful!

    I am struggiling with a different issue - my Queen's husband views her as a Rival in the noble career, even after they married. I haven't been able to find any help on that issue either. Hopefully there will be some support available soon to help us all with our Sims issues!

    I hope you have a lovely day! 💐

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  • Is he a prince? Out of the box there is no king or queen of Ondarion, though there are multiple nobles in rank 9 of the career poised for a fight for the throne.

    The heir to a dynasty is not the same thing as the heir to a noble rank, and has no title.

  • Adelaide_Astraea's avatar
    Adelaide_Astraea
    Seasoned Adventurer
    3 months ago

    Hi, I am so sorry you are experiencing this problem! It sounds so frustrating!

    A couple thoughts I have:

    1. Lord Virgilio Capp in the original new game save starts as an outcast of his dynasty. He inherited his title because of his father's position (Grand Duke Tybalt Capp). He doesn't have his own title so to speak, it's a title passed down by birth only. Also, his relationship with the Head of his dyansty (Tybalt) is in a really bad place. I am not sure if this impacts or not, but perhaps improving the relationship can help?

    2. If you put Virgilio in the Noble Career, he would have his own title by his Career choice. Perhaps this would then transfer to his spouse as well?

    3. Make sure the Head of the Dyansty (Tybalt) invites the Wife to become a Member of the Dynasty. 

    4. Just for reference, there are no Princes or Princesses in the game until there is A King/Queen. The Monarch's children will get the title of Prince or Princess. There can only be one Monarch. Their spouse and children automatically inherit titles based on their relationship with the Monarch.

    I hope this is a little helpful!

    I am struggiling with a different issue - my Queen's husband views her as a Rival in the noble career, even after they married. I haven't been able to find any help on that issue either. Hopefully there will be some support available soon to help us all with our Sims issues!

    I hope you have a lovely day! 💐

  • After playing more after posting, I think the problem was because he had inherited his title from his father. Virgilio's relationship was already fixed with his father and his wife was already a part of the dynasty but it wasn't until her husband was knighted into the Noble Career that she got the title "Dame" while he was labeled as a "Prince" since his father was indeed King. So, it turns out this wasn't a bug. Still bummed that the wife got the title "Dame," but that's again probably because the "Prince" title is still linked to Virgilio's father. Virgilio has been promised to inherit the throne, so once he gets it, I assume that is when the wife's title will match her husband's because that title will belong to him and be inherited to her. Not the best design, but that's how titles seem to work in the pack.

  • Adelaide_Astraea's avatar
    Adelaide_Astraea
    Seasoned Adventurer
    2 months ago

    I am so glad you found a work around to the problem! Yes, when Virgilio has his own title King as his career (level 10 in the Noble career) his spouse should automatically inherit the title Queen. 👑

    Happy Simming!

  • I am also experiencing this issue. I cheated to make my sim King of Ondarion, and his daughter is marrying a woman. The whole family got assigned their titles perfectly, no cheats needed, so she was given the Princess title. I thought her wife would receive it too. After marriage the game even auto-prompted me to invite her to the dynasty and so I did. However, she didn't get any title to her name. Neither of them are in the noble career BTW. I wanted them to both be princesses :(

  • shadowheart3's avatar
    shadowheart3
    Seasoned Newcomer
    1 day ago

    Having the same issue. Made a royal family in Windenburg. The King 's title transferred to his wife, and their children. The princess was already married when I added the pack, her husband did not get the title. He has title from his father. He joined the career himself, still no transfer. He keeps the father's title. That's crazy. He's married to a princess. His title should elevate. 

    Then the Prince (other child of the king) married a commoner. No title for her either. At the wedding she was invited to join the dynasty and got the lowest title. That makes zero sense. 

    I do play with mods (MCC, UI, CONTROL). I removed them all. I let the prince join the career he got the 6th rank title and that transferred to his wife. The one he inherited from his father and mother does not. It's infuriating.

    Do I want to go poking in the xml, no. But I'll probably have to and I hate that. This is INTEGRAL to the functionality of the pack and it's broken? I feel it might be missing an allowable_heir_transfer or a trait - noble_by_blood, similar to the traits with spellcasters. If it's locked in the code to not transfer inherited titles to spouses, it should be corrected. Suppose I want to make a social climbing shrew who is marrying for title, it wold never happening. This is ruining gameplay. 

  • i0luv0sup3rnatrl's avatar
    i0luv0sup3rnatrl
    Seasoned Rookie
    7 hours ago

    I've concluded that it isn't "broken" but designed extremely poorly to function in this way. Titles are so closely tied to the career that they don't function independently of it and only get inherited by one level. Basically, inheritors can't spread titles until they join the career themselves, at which point the title linked to their current career level can then be given to their spouse and children. The sim in the noble career then gets whichever title is higher for themself: the one that they themselves inherited or their new career level's.

    If a title belongs to someone (Sim A) from their career, that title can be inherited to that person's spouse and children. But for those who inherit the title (Sims B), any spouses or children stemming from them (Sims C) cannot also inherit that same title. It isn't until Sim A officially steps down and passes on their career level to any Sim B that a Sim C can finally become an inheritor.

    In your case, it sounds like the King's title was transferred to his wife and inherited by their children. The princess's title was therefore inherited and by EA's terrible judgement could not pass on the title of prince to her husband. The husband's title was linked to his father's higher title, which is why the career didn't change it. His title won't change (even though real life's rules say it should have!) until the princess becomes Queen and takes the throne officially, at which point he'll jump straight to being a King. UNLESS the princess joins the career herself and works her way up to earning the princess title in her own right. Otherwise, the only other way to obtain the title of "prince" would be if his father becomes a King in his own right 😭

    It's a terrible design, and nothing like real life. In real life, regardless of how a princess is a princess, marrying one makes you a prince. At the very least, titles should spread beyond one level of relationships. Ideally, titles should be its own independent system so that they can be held without needing a noble career at all. Linking the two just causes problems in storytelling and inevitably forces nobles to abandon any other career path.  People will have to mod it to make it accurate if one doesn't exist already 😓