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amjoie
Seasoned Ace
22 days ago
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WARNING: Do not delete noble sims, especially Simcalibur owner!

I have posted a bug report here:

Noble sims will not completely delete | EA Forums - 13191555

The game does not completely delete a noble sim, whether the sim/sims are deleted in the sim manager or in CAS. It leaves a place holder for the each of the deleted sims. Attempting to delete noble sims will glitch the crown menu in the world and in the case of the sim who pulled the sword from the stone, the sword is missing from the stone forever. 

I did troubleshooting in a vanilla brand new unmodded game, and was able to repeat the issue again in a second vanilla brand new unmodded game. 

In my modded game, where I first discovered the problem, I also had a placeholder show up in my family tree, that was named Unknown. That happened when I deleted a sim, and then tried to put a saved version of that sim from the library back into the game. I did not report the family tree issue because I had mods in the game. But I think it stems from the same issue of the game keeping persistent data on noble sims, even after they are deleted.

If, as a result of my bug report, they fix this glitch, the problem may not be retroactive to already saved games. So if you value your save, do NOT delete noble sims. 

  • amjoie's avatar
    amjoie
    12 days ago

    billblogs​ If you want them out of your game entirely, have every noble sim abdicate, then kill them and make the ghost playable, then instruct the ghost to go to the nether world by putting the gravestone in the world and clicking on it to choose that option in the menu. I put the gravestones of the netherworld sims in the vampire world. At that point, once all the sims from a dynasty are in the nether world, the dynasty ends. Once every EA dynasty ends, that removes everyone from the dynasty in the family tree. At that point every trace of the EA sims are out of your game without manually deleting them through CAS or the sim manager. This is one safe way to remove the EA noble sims from your game, between now and the time the issue is fixed in a patch.

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  • Thank you, that's good to know. But this does not bode well for the culling system. Players who evict noble Sims from houses and have them marked as Unplayed now risk their games glitching with this. 

    I have a hard time believing that the devs would overlook something so obvious. Has EA started heavily using AI lately? With the avalanche of bugs we are constantly getting, it sure seems like it. 

  • amjoie's avatar
    amjoie
    Seasoned Ace
    22 days ago

    AND, I just discovered something else when the owner of Simcalibur is deleted: The heir can take the throne, but if no heir was chosen, then the next Arch Duke noble is told that the title is exclusive and that they cannot advance, so from then on, NO KING in the game!

  • rococofall's avatar
    rococofall
    Seasoned Rookie
    22 days ago

    I've also encountered this issue. I simply wanted to remove the preset royal families and build my own ideal royal dynasty from scratch—something I believe is a common and fundamental desire in a game like this. But apparently, that's not possible. It seems I'm forced to follow the path laid out by the game designers, which completely goes against the core philosophy of The Sims. I'm really disappointed.

  • amjoie's avatar
    amjoie
    Seasoned Ace
    22 days ago

    It is disappointing. I never play the EA sims unless they have been revamped extensively, and frequently it is easier to simply delete and replace with my own sims. In a legacy/dynasty situation the natural thing for many people is to clear a game so the world/worlds have maximum space for favorite sims.

    I have not tried yet to substitute the nobles in CAS with my own version of them with the same name, nor have I tried to rename or significantly alter the EA sims in CAS. That is on my list of tests to perform to see how it affects the crown menu and also the family tree. But this dynamic has certainly complicated things. 

    Update: I was able to rename a noble sim in CAS without it causing a problem. I was able to change a noble sim's facial characteristics and alter the noble sim's body without it causing a problem. I was NOT able to substitute a noble sim by changing the name of the substitute to the name of the original noble sim and delete the original noble sim (that resulted in a missing sim, but it did not put a llamacorn placeholder in the crown menu).

    I discovered that evicting the sim family removed their names from the crown menu without a llamacorn placeholder. But the game is still tracking them into a new world if they are moved.

    I did discover a "fix" for the noble problem. Have every noble sim abdicate: they become non-nobles. Their names are removed from the crown menu. (And because they are no longer nobles, I am guessing they can then be deleted like any other non-noble sim in the game. But I do not know what it will do to family trees or a dynasty if they are deleted as non-nobles. That is a separate issue I did not test, as yet.)

  • vyanger353's avatar
    vyanger353
    Rising Traveler
    13 days ago

    I found the same problem. The only way to remove noble sims is evict household so sims are not in any world, then delete the household. I find that noble sims are tied with the world they currently live in which results appearance in kingdom manger on Manage World. 

    I have already tried with the sims that Maxis made on the gallery. some of them are noble. One of them is the king. So if I place them in a world without a LV10 noble, then he will be the king right away. But if I placed it on a world that has a king, then he will be demoted to LV9.

    I also tried out with the mid-level career as well where I made them (lv5, I guess) move to another world but they were demoted to lv4. So be careful with managing noble sims btw the worlds. I'm not sure if there's any guide in EA Help regarding this apart from managing dynasty and so on. 

    Right now, I'm trying with another scenario where a noble parent lives in different world from the children. Because the children will get the title from noble parent and they will be appeared on the kingdom manager of the world of parent, not the world they live in. // for example, Noble parents are in Tomarang, but children are in Ondarion. In Kingdom manager of Tomarang, it will show the list of noble parent and their children while there's no show any of these sims in Ondarion. 

    Hope this help!

  • billblogs's avatar
    billblogs
    New Veteran
    13 days ago

    Just take over the household and move them out. make a shack for them in newcrest. I did this and suffered no bad effects from doing so and was still able to become king of my own dynasty.

  • amjoie's avatar
    amjoie
    Seasoned Ace
    12 days ago

    billblogs​ If you want them out of your game entirely, have every noble sim abdicate, then kill them and make the ghost playable, then instruct the ghost to go to the nether world by putting the gravestone in the world and clicking on it to choose that option in the menu. I put the gravestones of the netherworld sims in the vampire world. At that point, once all the sims from a dynasty are in the nether world, the dynasty ends. Once every EA dynasty ends, that removes everyone from the dynasty in the family tree. At that point every trace of the EA sims are out of your game without manually deleting them through CAS or the sim manager. This is one safe way to remove the EA noble sims from your game, between now and the time the issue is fixed in a patch.