Hi, I love a lot of the male outfits, and I'm happy they added the option to use clothing regardless of gender.Except I have one big complaint, when I want to use a male targeted shirt on my female body sim it simply looks as if someone put tape inside of the shirt and glued it in-between the cleavage instead of the shirt naturally fitting across the *, I wear male shirts all the time irl and this only really happens to me when I wear a shirt that's multiple sizes above my own without a sports bra... even without a bra when I wear male tops my size this doesn't happen.Please make a fix for this as I really really love so much of the male clothing options but still want to keep my *.

@jpkarlsen I don’t think this post is looking for that kind of advice or temporary fix! This is a feedback post, explaining that the way that the “masculine” coded clothes currently fit on female bodies looks really wonky and should absolutely be fixed.It’s the same thing with the “feminine” coded bottoms - the high-waisted jeans sit ridiculously low on the hips of male-bodied Sims. This is pretty common negative feedback about CAS and EA should be aware.

@Lysanne201 Hi! I feel your pain. This doesn't help you but she doesn't look as bad as I was expecting. Have you tried putting female tops on male sims? Terrible! lol It would be wonderful if they could make the clothing fit either gender without morphing their bodies.

@jpkarlsenI agree that there is no simple fix. This is an issue to be considered for Sims 5, and I think it’s great feedback. By “simple fix” I was referring to your suggestion that one simply make the bust size smaller so that masculine-coded tops aren’t so distorted. That’s an ok idea for a temporary solution, it kind of works, for some scenarios, but it’s clearly not ideal for something seeking nonbinary representation.Your explanation about body types is nice but not necessary! I already understand that “there are differences in the male and female bodies that has to be taken into account.” I also understand that large breasts don’t look like that under sweaters and suit jackets, and it’s a totally legitimate complaint that it’s poorly done even if there’s no solution for Sims 4. The clothing meshes just don’t look good on fat bodies either, they really struggle with fitting on anything other than a thin, heteronormative frame. They look wonky, and if you’re saying that’s intentional, then I think this feedback is important: it looks bad. It’s something important to consider for the future, since EA has expressed an interest in offering nonbinary gender representation in the Sims!Also, although masculine frames tend to have smaller hips, when they wear high-waisted pants, they don’t yank them down below their bellybuttons. They still wear naval-high pants at the naval, they’re not up there because of wide hips. You can give a female-framed Sim a hipless body and the high-waisted jeans still sit at the naval. The hips should have nothing to do with it, it just looks sloppy. I hope that helps to understand this critique!”Then I suggest that you give your Sim clothes that fit her better.” I hope you can understand why this came across as dismissive and seemed to lack an understanding of the feedback in the original post.

I play with a young adult sim and the chest size isn't something I would want to change honestly

You're kind of ignoring the fact that I mentioned I do wear male targeted clothes irl with a female body.

when using male shirts on female Sim it looks horrible

18 Replies

jpkarlsen
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@Lysanne201
In the prepubescent ages the male and females body frame is not that different. But after that it starts to change considerably (for the most part) If you adjust the chest part to be more diminutive I'm sure the male shirt would fit your Sim better.
Lysanne201
5 years ago
I play with a young adult sim and the chest size isn't something I would want to change honestly
jpkarlsen
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@Lysanne201
Then I suggest that you give your Sim clothes that fit her better.
JonaO703
Hero
5 years ago
@Lysanne201 Hi! I feel your pain. This doesn't help you but she doesn't look as bad as I was expecting. Have you tried putting female tops on male sims? Terrible! lol It would be wonderful if they could make the clothing fit either gender without morphing their bodies.
Lysanne201
5 years ago
it depends a bit on the angle and the outfit how it looks, some come out slightly better then others, but a bunch just look really bad, I haven't tried putting female tops on male sims yet.
ChapelParalysis
5 years ago
@jpkarlsen I don’t think this post is looking for that kind of advice or temporary fix! This is a feedback post, explaining that the way that the “masculine” coded clothes currently fit on female bodies looks really wonky and should absolutely be fixed.

It’s the same thing with the “feminine” coded bottoms - the high-waisted jeans sit ridiculously low on the hips of male-bodied Sims. This is pretty common negative feedback about CAS and EA should be aware.
jpkarlsen
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@ChapelParalysis
There simply is no simple "fix". As I explained to the OP there are differences in the male and female bodies that has to be taken into account. They changed it so that males could use female clothing and the other way around knowing that much of it would not look very good on the other gender just as in real life. Both you and the OP are welcome to suggest that they make male/female conversions but there simply is not a simple "fix" to the differences in the body frames of the sexes. There were two things the OP and you brought up. Male shirt not fitting very well. The male torso simply is much bigger than females. You mention that female jeans don't fit males very well. This is because females have wider hips than men.
I hope this has helped you understand what is involved.
Lysanne201
5 years ago
You're kind of ignoring the fact that I mentioned I do wear male targeted clothes irl with a female body.
jpkarlsen
Hero (Retired)
5 years ago
@Lysanne201
No I'm not ignoring that. I speak in general terms and there are some men's clothing that some women can wear without it looking bad but it isn't true for all men's clothes. I clearly don't know about you personally but I have seen average sized women that could wear most clothes from an average sized male teenagers (late teens) wardrobe without too much difficulty. Trousers of course would need considerable shortening of the legs as an average woman's height is about 165cm while a male late teen would be about 180cm but if it was low cut jeans it will probably look alright on a woman. For some other kind of male pants it wouldn't look as good.
I'm in no way trying to tell you how you should dress that is up to you and if you should happen to be underage then your legal custodian as well. You are more than welcome to suggest that the developers create versions of male oriented clothes that will fit a female Sim better. If enough request it they may just do that.
Interestingly the average height of US citizens are 3-5CM (Female/Male) shorter than European counterparts. I don't know if it is related but the average US citizen also eats about three times as much fast-food as their European counterpart.
Happy gaming and I do hope that you find something that will fit your female sim better at least until there hopefully are made a conversion of that shirt you like.
Lysanne201
5 years ago
I'm a 26yo, 172cm tall with a C cup, pretty much avarage by my countries standards in size.