I've never liked using MOO. In the past it could cause a lot of problems, so I just never used it unless there was some error that necessitated it, like a stuck Sim. Now, it doesn't cause as many issues, but I still would rather not use it. I never lost that wariness I developed with Sims 2. I only used it a handful of times on builds in the past with Sims 4, and it was on things like placing a curtain on an angled wall before they fixed that issue. I definitely didn't use it on items Sims actually interacted with.But I'm finding that now it seems like they are counting on us to use it. I have all these plants and clutter now, but I can hardly place anything without MOO. Plants can't be placed close to walls, furniture, or each other. Clutter items can't actually be cluttered because you can only put a couple items on a table or counter (and they will be really far apart). It's tedious trying to fill shelves because you have to go through everything trying to find things that fit and fit together. And Zeus forbid you ever realize you need to adjust a wall, fence, or even other objects around the house; half the little items you placed with MOO and several items near them will disappear.I recently had to use MOO to place a curved couch close to the curved wall. Now, I could have left it halfway across the room or used a small straight couch. But, shouldn't a curved couch go near a curved wall?Anyone else finding that they just can't make things look nice without it anymore?

I must say I use the alt key a lot. Its the only way I can shift plants closer to where I want them, or beds and chest of draws away ftom curtains to prevent the cutting into furniture issue. Not so much move objects though.

I've honestly always found MOO necessary in order to clutter surfaces the way I want. But like @mcrudd said when it comes to moving things like end tables closer to couches and beds, plants closer to each other and the wall, and furniture away from curtains, alt is sometimes all you need to make it work.

I have always found MOO to be necessary but for things like being able to place a doorway next to a staircase or a wall lamp attached to something other than a wall. I don't bother too much with clutter as my sims collect enough clutter items without me adding to it, but I agree that it's annoying not being able to actually have cluttered surfaces. Like the wall shelves only take 5 neatly lined up jars of canned produce when in reality at least 12 would fit there. I try no to bother with shelves too much, because they are useless for storage.

I never use MOO for decorating purposes, only if I build something out-of-this-world ... I always use the Alt off-grid though, it works for furniture and sometimes even on surfaces.What stuck me is that way too many EA deco objects have a way to large "footprint". Some rather small objects needs a full spot on a table. I have lots of CC deco stuff, and many of those can be placed much more freely, even without the MOO. I think EA should have removed the "radius", allowing for us to decide how close we want to place things to a wall or to the next object. If we WANT two objects to bleed into each other, well - let us!

To each their own, I’ve never used MOO and have no problems without it ?♂️

Anyone else finding MOO to be necessary?

DaniRose2143
Hero
2 years ago
@Atreya33 @telemwill I didn't know about that F5 hack either. That's interesting and another tool to make use of. I'm still really particular about where an item is placed. Enough so that I don't see that one getting as much use as MOO, but new tips and tricks are always fun to experiment with.?
Babykittyjade
Rising Observer
2 years ago
I never understood why we can't just place objects closer together or close to a wall. I can't build without this cheat or else objects will just be akwardly sitting in the middle of the floor. ?
AncientMuse2
Seasoned Rookie
2 years ago
I have MOO on all the time (Tmex's mod) because I use it so much. Plus the alt key, using 9 and 0 for up and down the walls, and using the F5 key too.... I use them all. Everywhere, all the time.

I couldn't live without them in my game. Just snapping stuff to the grid (or on slotted surfaces) leaves a place feeling too bare and 'unfinished' to me. I need a place to feel cozy and lived in, not necessarily cluttered up like crazy, just 'lived in'.

Especially when it comes to landscaping... only snapping plants and trees to the grid leaves a yard looking barren and unnatural. Placing plants and flowers closer together looks more natural to me. :)
CaptainMe120
2 years ago
Question for those who use the raise or lower object height if you don’t mind, maybe MOO is part of the issue?
Whenever I raise an object my game camera gets sent immediately into the sky. The object is raised but I’m left guessing if it’s at the level I want because I can’t see it. Does that happen to you guys too? Or is there a way to not have my camera sent to the sky
crocobaura
Seasoned Ace
2 years ago
"SelinaKyles;c-18232373" wrote:
Question for those who use the raise or lower object height if you don’t mind, maybe MOO is part of the issue?
Whenever I raise an object my game camera gets sent immediately into the sky. The object is raised but I’m left guessing if it’s at the level I want because I can’t see it. Does that happen to you guys too? Or is there a way to not have my camera sent to the sky

You need to press CTRL+9 or CTRL+0 and the camera stays steady that way.
Bluegayle
Hero
2 years ago
I rarely use moo as alt works just fine for inside. Mostly I would use moo for flowers, shrubs etc outdoors.
LadyGray01
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
"mcrudd;c-18232161" wrote:
I must say I use the alt key a lot. Its the only way I can shift plants closer to where I want them, or beds and chest of draws away ftom curtains to prevent the cutting into furniture issue. Not so much move objects though.

I alt place as much as I can instead. But a lot of the plants still won't place near the wall or each other. They have huge footprints for some reason.

"Simmerville;c-18232193" wrote:

What struck me is that way too many EA deco objects have a way too large "footprint". Some rather small objects needs a full spot on a table.

I really don't understand why objects can't have footprints that are right up against them. Why do they have these huge squares?

"PenguinFoop;c-18232246" wrote:

I wish it was just a toggle like auto-counters and auto-sofas. Typing by controller is very annoying.

I play on PC, but I agree that a toggle would be great. I don't like to leave it on, because I am limiting where it's used. It's not normally an issue, but the house I'm currently building has plants absolutely everywhere. So it's on... off... on... off.

"Simmingal;c-18232300" wrote:
I moomoo and alt place heck a ton I just test my builds and adjust if i notice i've made too tight a fit or i see something that annoys me like floating or clipping i forgot to fix. Then again I don't really like to clutter my builds as I also have rather minimal tastes irl so yeah that might be why i have no problems with it

I definitely try to always play test. I have forgotten before and then had to fix and re-upload the lots, even when I didn't use MOO. Not great.
I don't tend to place a lot of clutter either. But I do want to be able to put what I'd consider a normal amount of clutter- a soap dispenser, a toothbrush cup, and a tube of toothpaste- on the same counter without them being a mile apart. It looks weird.
PhantasmKiss
New Spectator
2 years ago
I always use MOO to place objects, but I do it in a way that keeps things where I put them once I save to my library. I want to be able to place a lot without using MOO, so I always turn MOO off, save, bulldoze, and place what I've just built without any cheats. If anything disappears or moves, I shift things around a little. Things from the library or the gallery should be able to be played with as-is.
amapola76
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
I literally never use it. But then, I'm not a big fan of clutter, and try to keep it to a minimum.
mightyspritesims
Rising Hotshot
2 years ago
@Ciralinde I think the moo-min in your signature is pleased that you use moo :)
helps get all the pretty flowers close together, and all