I've never liked using MOO. In the past it could cause a lot of problems, so I just never used it unless there was some error that necessitated it, like a stuck Sim. Now, it doesn't cause as many issues, but I still would rather not use it. I never lost that wariness I developed with Sims 2. I only used it a handful of times on builds in the past with Sims 4, and it was on things like placing a curtain on an angled wall before they fixed that issue. I definitely didn't use it on items Sims actually interacted with.But I'm finding that now it seems like they are counting on us to use it. I have all these plants and clutter now, but I can hardly place anything without MOO. Plants can't be placed close to walls, furniture, or each other. Clutter items can't actually be cluttered because you can only put a couple items on a table or counter (and they will be really far apart). It's tedious trying to fill shelves because you have to go through everything trying to find things that fit and fit together. And Zeus forbid you ever realize you need to adjust a wall, fence, or even other objects around the house; half the little items you placed with MOO and several items near them will disappear.I recently had to use MOO to place a curved couch close to the curved wall. Now, I could have left it halfway across the room or used a small straight couch. But, shouldn't a curved couch go near a curved wall?Anyone else finding that they just can't make things look nice without it anymore?

I must say I use the alt key a lot. Its the only way I can shift plants closer to where I want them, or beds and chest of draws away ftom curtains to prevent the cutting into furniture issue. Not so much move objects though.

I've honestly always found MOO necessary in order to clutter surfaces the way I want. But like @mcrudd said when it comes to moving things like end tables closer to couches and beds, plants closer to each other and the wall, and furniture away from curtains, alt is sometimes all you need to make it work.

I have always found MOO to be necessary but for things like being able to place a doorway next to a staircase or a wall lamp attached to something other than a wall. I don't bother too much with clutter as my sims collect enough clutter items without me adding to it, but I agree that it's annoying not being able to actually have cluttered surfaces. Like the wall shelves only take 5 neatly lined up jars of canned produce when in reality at least 12 would fit there. I try no to bother with shelves too much, because they are useless for storage.

I never use MOO for decorating purposes, only if I build something out-of-this-world ... I always use the Alt off-grid though, it works for furniture and sometimes even on surfaces.What stuck me is that way too many EA deco objects have a way to large "footprint". Some rather small objects needs a full spot on a table. I have lots of CC deco stuff, and many of those can be placed much more freely, even without the MOO. I think EA should have removed the "radius", allowing for us to decide how close we want to place things to a wall or to the next object. If we WANT two objects to bleed into each other, well - let us!

To each their own, I’ve never used MOO and have no problems without it ?♂️

Anyone else finding MOO to be necessary?

LadyGray01
Seasoned Hotshot
2 years ago
"PlayerSinger2010;c-18233718" wrote:
Never. It's such a pain to get things to actually work! I never download lots that use it either, but that's getting harder and harder to find. ?

I've given up on finding lots that don't use it, I just look through the lot and see if there's anywhere it was used that I'd prefer it wasn't. Then I either delete those items, or if it's extreme, delete the lot and look for something else.
MaggieMae7276
Seasoned Rookie
2 years ago
It's difficult to know if a lot uses MOO as you still get the notice that MOO was used even if it wasn't used. I built a house without using any MOO, and when I placed it I still got the notice. I did use more of it in the beginning, until I realized that placing a lot with MOO would cause the loss of a post, a curtain, etc, as well as cause routing issues. Now I only build with MOO for landscaping in areas that don't affect routing and I don't place larger plants in front of a post. I did try ALT with a picture above a fireplace as without it the picture was way too high! Does ALT affect anything in a negative way? I will use it more if it doesn't.
MaggieMae7276
Seasoned Rookie
2 years ago
Thank you @lisamwitt for your answer. I don't think I will use ALT for anything that might interfere with routing. I bought the clutter kit so I do want to try it with some of the bathroom items. I was concerned at first that something might disappear but I play tested the house where I used ALT on the pic and there wasn't a problem. Will probably be using it more now! :)
KatAnubis
Rising Novice
2 years ago
"lisamwitt;d-1006662" wrote:
I've never liked using MOO. In the past it could cause a lot of problems, so I just never used it unless there was some error that necessitated it, like a stuck Sim. Now, it doesn't cause as many issues, but I still would rather not use it. I never lost that wariness I developed with Sims 2. I only used it a handful of times on builds in the past with Sims 4, and it was on things like placing a curtain on an angled wall before they fixed that issue. I definitely didn't use it on items Sims actually interacted with.

But I'm finding that now it seems like they are counting on us to use it. I have all these plants and clutter now, but I can hardly place anything without MOO. Plants can't be placed close to walls, furniture, or each other. Clutter items can't actually be cluttered because you can only put a couple items on a table or counter (and they will be really far apart). It's tedious trying to fill shelves because you have to go through everything trying to find things that fit and fit together. And Zeus forbid you ever realize you need to adjust a wall, fence, or even other objects around the house; half the little items you placed with MOO and several items near them will disappear.

I recently had to use MOO to place a curved couch close to the curved wall. Now, I could have left it halfway across the room or used a small straight couch. But, shouldn't a curved couch go near a curved wall?

Anyone else finding that they just can't make things look nice without it anymore?

In past versions of The Sims, it could cause problems if you left MOO on. Fortunately, with TS4 that is *not* a problem. You can have it on all the time without having any problems at all. I leave mine on all the time, and there are actually mods that automatically turn it on for you. I suspect that it is now assumed that most people will have it on 100% of the time.
SweetieWright_84
New Spectator
2 years ago
I used to use MOO on everything but now I use mostly on landscaping. I use alt to place things on the interior but I never use MOO on objects that sims can interact with.
sleekoduck87
2 years ago
Appropriately, I had to use it for that gargantuan cow barn. :D

I'm doing an apocalypse town, and the only family in Willow Creek that will even get a cow is the Spencer-Kim-Lewis family, and wouldn't you know it, even their monstrosity of a mansion isn't big enough for it? So yeah, I had to use MOO to fit the cow barn onto their lot. Now that I've tasted it, I want more. Maybe the Pancakes and Goths might get a cow, too. Cows for everyone. I'll put the barn on Eliza's balcony. Maybe one on the Goth family's roof...
https://www.wric.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/74/2022/12/317379171_6025334404184941_4714972318629027050_n.jpg
pv-rodriguesds
2 years ago
I like to use MOO on outdoor plants, so I can reorganize some bushes and grasses in a way they don't necessarily will look the same item but only spread. I also like to use it now with the light switches so I can put them a little bit closer to doors when needed.
SweetieWright_84
New Spectator
2 years ago
"Flap;c-18235166" wrote:
I like to use MOO on outdoor plants, so I can reorganize some bushes and grasses in a way they don't necessarily will look the same item but only spread. I also like to use it now with the light switches so I can put them a little bit closer to doors when needed.

I keep forgetting about the light switches. I'm glad I came back to this thread. :)
ck213
Seasoned Scout
2 years ago
Sometimes, but I use the scale down object feature more because everything is so large in The Sims 4.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/f116/cireking213/12-20-21_5-29-45_PM.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

Scaling them down makes them feel more to scale with my sims.
The objects also look less blocky at a smaller scale.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/f116/cireking213/12-20-21_6-28-02_PM.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

I also scale trees and plants.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/f116/cireking213/12-21-21_8-03-36_AM.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds

Sometime this requires me to use MOO for proper placement.
https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/f116/cireking213/12-21-21_8-05-03_AM.png?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds
dogzdinner
2 years ago
I dont know how anybody copes without MOO. I hate that foot wide gap that you have to have around everything without it, even curtains or pictures have to be in their own giant square...I mean its ok in a giant minimalist mansion but if you are doing a cosy family home then those big gaps just dont make sense. Also its nice to group clutter or plants together sometimes.
I dont use CC or mods but I couldnt live without MOO in game!