Bon Voyage is being split in 3 GPs?

"DeservedCriticism;c-16357135" wrote:

I hope the devs hear this out because splitting supernaturals into individual GPs seems to work, splitting vacation worlds does not.

Many would argue though that making an expansion focusing solely on vacation worlds doesn't work either, and I think World Adventures proved this. Why would the developers spend an entire EP budget on such a niche theme? They wouldn't because they would be losing out in the end.

"DeservedCriticism;c-16357135" wrote:

The same does not seem to translate well with vacation destinations. It just leads to rather limited ones with less content. This is probably because vacation destinations DEMAND a world be built and be fleshed out, they still need a goal and something to do, and in the case of World Adventures, those were hand-crafted dungeons where someone sat down and planned puzzles out for the players. Such projects are demanding both on resources and on time. We need to view this in the sense of "do Selvadora and Outdoor Retreat combined compete with China and Egypt from World Adventures," and I think the answer is a clear no.

Of course the answer is no. Outdoor Retreat and Jungle Adventures are two completely different packs oriented around a different theme with different tasks especially comparing them to World Adventures. Besides, compare China and Egypt from world adventures and you'll quickly realise that both are the same concept with different coats of paint, the gameplay between the two is almost identical, throw France in there too and the likeness across the pack is definitely apparent. I don't understand why you're praising World Adventures all of a sudden.

"DeservedCriticism;c-16357135" wrote:

Vampires and Parenthood succeeded because they did this, and I feel boredom watching Jungle Adventure streams (and would feel the same watching Outdoor retreat) because much of it is just repeating the same actions, waiting for your Sim to finish doing a thing, and at the end of the journey there's ZERO long-term benefit. The reward thus far seems to just be fat stacks of cash, which is incredibly boring. World Adventures for me was both fun to play and had long-term benefits via the skills it provided (photography, martial arts, nectar-making) and the vacation homes.

So your argument as to why Outdoor retreat and Jungle Adventures aren't good enough packs is because they don't further develop your sims, but then you go on to praise World Adventures because they develop your sims through skills? You do realise that Outdoor Retreat and Jungle Adventure both added new skills right? And the value of those skills and how they develop a players sim is up to the player, not to you. Either way, if you take a look at the Herbalism skill from Outdoor Retreat and see what it offers, there's clearly benefits that can come to your sims through the skill, whether that be alleviating negative emotions, to gardening benefits, pranks for mischievous sims, or even an increased chance of twins/triplets, benefits that are clearly beyond the typical benefits that are catered towards the pack and the new world.

"DeservedCriticism;c-16357135" wrote:

Martial arts in particular added additional things your Sim could do, such as meditation to freeze needs, teleportation, a new method of space rock collecting/gem collecting, and better skill at fighting.

By this logic of yours you should be praising Spa Day as the skill added in that pack essentially develops your sim to a whole other level. On top of being able to freeze needs through meditation and teleport, your sims will gain new socials through the skill, socials that will even enhance others Wellness skill, again be able to alleviate negative emotions, influence other emotions, and even learn new recipes, plus gain the ability to give others massages. Just a thought.

I do agree that the best packs are the packs that focus on developing your sims character, but gameplay is also a fun thing to get once in a while, and Jungle Adventure offers just that, new gameplay, gameplay whose value is up to the individual player, not to you. You speak about this pack as if you speak on behalf of everyone, which you don't.