Can we talk about the sims 4 rebrand vidio ?

My avatar shows you just what kind of player I am ;) I didn't get this picture by not letting a pregnant sim starve to death only to make her a playable ghost, deliver a ghost baby and then return to the netherworld to let her older daughter raise the ghost baby... (obviously TS3, I was surprised I can't have ghost babies here, not even just a ghost whoo-hoo :( )

Guess we shouldn't talk about most of my houses having secret basements and what is in those either... >:)

"Cinebar;c-17308172" wrote:


TS4 is the first game where i get judged for letting bad things happen to Sims. I never was judged for that before. I'm a deviant player in many ways, but softened up over the years. I think seeing a Sim starve in The Sims would shock and horrify many new players today. It's not pretty with them begging for food, and looking right into camera begging the player. However, this is the first forum where I have seen players have to defend why they would allow some Sim to suffer. It used to be a common joke we slapped a Sim around because they were so darn annoying. Now, it's like omg, you are such a horrible person. Lyndsay said at the release of TS4 they didn't want players to feel bad for not taking care of their Sims etc., however, they have done the very opposite and removed anything that could help a player tell that story or type gameplay. It's' so childish, I never admit I have played it.

Ugh yes the beating positivity down my throat annoys me. I hate being judged for being a deviant player too. It is like that dark humor that made the Sims feel like the Sims got taken away to make it E rated like MySims games. I hate playing it safe with the Sims. People don't understand being deviant helps me cope with my chronic health issues.

"Cinebar;c-17308172" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17303160" wrote:

"MidnightAura;c-17302639" wrote:

I completely agree with this. Even though I use video games as an escape from my illness there is a fine line between using it for fun and burying your head so you can’t see the world. Weirdly enough when I’m really low mentally I can’t play the sims. It’s depressing to me to see my sims do normal things I can’t or struggle with. I can some times play other video games but The Sims franchise is a big no no. I read this article and the writer also acknowledges using the game as a crutch was not good for state of mind:
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8x8a53/i-couldnt-get-pregnant-so-i-played-the-sims-4

You hit the nail on what has bothered me about the Sims 4 too and why I find it the most depressing iteration of the series. It is like they tried to make the Sims 4 like MySims which was made for kids and free from anything that is deemed dangerous. I mean I know that a lot that worked on MySims also work on the Sims 4, but I don't want the main game to be like MySims. It's why Simmers are so angry at each other. They have all this anger that normally they can vent in the game, vent it on social media instead and it just isn't healthy for anyone. It is like the idea of the purge instead of it happening in the game, it is happening in the Sims community and if EA wants to kill another Maxis community by making it too "safe" and depressing their customers to do dangerous acts like what happened with EA Sports that's on them to encourage that competitive and aggressive behavior within the community rather than providing a way to purge in their games by making them entertaining instead. No one likes to be bored out of their mind with preschool games.

TS4 is the first game where i get judged for letting bad things happen to Sims. I never was judged for that before. I'm a deviant player in many ways, but softened up over the years. I think seeing a Sim starve in The Sims would shock and horrify many new players today. It's not pretty with them begging for food, and looking right into camera begging the player. However, this is the first forum where I have seen players have to defend why they would allow some Sim to suffer. It used to be a common joke we slapped a Sim around because they were so darn annoying. Now, it's like omg, you are such a horrible person. Lyndsay said at the release of TS4 they didn't want players to feel bad for not taking care of their Sims etc., however, they have done the very opposite and removed anything that could help a player tell that story or type gameplay. It's' so childish, I never admit I have played it.

There's an interview with Will where he talks about failure states in the original game back in 2000, and he says that as soon as they made it possible for things like fires, fights and the like to occur they knew a large amount of players would actively pursue them, so they worked to make the negative side of things as engaging as possible for those players.

Yeah I think what bothers me most is how much bullying is promoted especially for fans. Like unless you are positive 100% of the time you are pretty much told to shut up and go away. So why there is so much irony with the video. Especially with the deep dive live stream with chat I really saw how toxic the fan base is for the Sims 4 watching fans attack other fans, Game Changers, and Sim Gurus. The whole moderation of the Sims community seems to be lacking during the Sims 4 with how long it takes for illegal actions to be addressed if addressed and met with consequences at all. It is because of that lack of moderation why the Sims community remains as toxic as it is and honestly thing it is something that all EA games suffer including EA Sports. I really think that Simmers need to be moderated equally and not just directed towards those providing constructive feedback. There is so much bias towards the fan base that it has created an ugly entitlement with them. I see it a lot with a lot of the more popular Game Changers how toxic the fan base can be towards them and so bossy and entitled.

"Scobre;c-17310922" wrote:
Yeah I think what bothers me most is how much bullying is promoted especially for fans. Like unless you are positive 100% of the time you are pretty much told to shut up and go away. So why there is so much irony with the video. Especially with the deep dive live stream with chat I really saw how toxic the fan base is for the Sims 4 watching fans attack other fans, Game Changers, and Sim Gurus. The whole moderation of the Sims community seems to be lacking during the Sims 4 with how long it takes for illegal actions to be addressed if addressed and met with consequences at all. It is because of that lack of moderation why the Sims community remains as toxic as it is and honestly thing it is something that all EA games suffer including EA Sports.

I don't think this is a limited to EA problem or that it's just the simming community. I don't believe a lack of moderation has caused it and it remains toxic just because people can and there a lot more people online these days. For every one you remove it's likely 2-3 more pop up. All game companies have this problem with their "fans". You can hide behind the internet so easily, people aren't afraid to be toxic because there will be no consequences. (A ban is no big deal). I've seen it just as bad over on Blizzard's sites. Just last year (I think, it may have been longer or even shorter) COD producers had to put out a request to "remind" "fans" that devs are people too, because their community was being so toxic. It's everywhere unfortunately.

As far as legal actions taking a long time, could be just as much a fault of the law system and not enough resources there to clear the back log.

"Camkat;c-17310934" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17310922" wrote:
Yeah I think what bothers me most is how much bullying is promoted especially for fans. Like unless you are positive 100% of the time you are pretty much told to shut up and go away. So why there is so much irony with the video. Especially with the deep dive live stream with chat I really saw how toxic the fan base is for the Sims 4 watching fans attack other fans, Game Changers, and Sim Gurus. The whole moderation of the Sims community seems to be lacking during the Sims 4 with how long it takes for illegal actions to be addressed if addressed and met with consequences at all. It is because of that lack of moderation why the Sims community remains as toxic as it is and honestly thing it is something that all EA games suffer including EA Sports.

I don't think this is a limited to EA problem or that it's just the simming community. I don't believe a lack of moderation has caused it and it remains toxic just because people can and there a lot more people online these days. For every one you remove it's likely 2-3 more pop up. All game companies have this problem with their "fans". You can hide behind the internet so easily, people aren't afraid to be toxic because there will be no consequences. (A ban is no big deal). I've seen it just as bad over on Blizzard's sites. Just last year (I think, it may have been longer or even shorter) COD producers had to put out a request to "remind" "fans" that devs are people too, because their community was being so toxic. It's everywhere unfortunately.

As far as legal actions taking a long time, could be just as much a fault of the law system and not enough resources there to clear the back log.

That is true. Yeah Overwatch I have to play on mute because of the trolls there too. Just because it is normal doesn't make it right still. I mean I know Simmers really don't like being called sheep following others, so a change wouldn't hurt. Like rise above the crowd type of thing. I know there are a lot of Simmers that are younger now, but it is sad when younger gamers than teenagers are starting to act more mature than the Sims community these days. It just felt like I was in a room full of preschoolers the same age as my nephew.

"Scobre;c-17310946" wrote:

"Camkat;c-17310934" wrote:

"Scobre;c-17310922" wrote:
Yeah I think what bothers me most is how much bullying is promoted especially for fans. Like unless you are positive 100% of the time you are pretty much told to shut up and go away. So why there is so much irony with the video. Especially with the deep dive live stream with chat I really saw how toxic the fan base is for the Sims 4 watching fans attack other fans, Game Changers, and Sim Gurus. The whole moderation of the Sims community seems to be lacking during the Sims 4 with how long it takes for illegal actions to be addressed if addressed and met with consequences at all. It is because of that lack of moderation why the Sims community remains as toxic as it is and honestly thing it is something that all EA games suffer including EA Sports.

I don't think this is a limited to EA problem or that it's just the simming community. I don't believe a lack of moderation has caused it and it remains toxic just because people can and there a lot more people online these days. For every one you remove it's likely 2-3 more pop up. All game companies have this problem with their "fans". You can hide behind the internet so easily, people aren't afraid to be toxic because there will be no consequences. (A ban is no big deal). I've seen it just as bad over on Blizzard's sites. Just last year (I think, it may have been longer or even shorter) COD producers had to put out a request to "remind" "fans" that devs are people too, because their community was being so toxic. It's everywhere unfortunately.

As far as legal actions taking a long time, could be just as much a fault of the law system and not enough resources there to clear the back log.

That is true. Yeah Overwatch I have to play on mute because of the trolls there too. Just because it is normal doesn't make it right still. I mean I know Simmers really don't like being called sheep following others, so a change wouldn't hurt. Like rise above the crowd type of thing. I know there are a lot of Simmers that are younger now, but it is sad when younger gamers than teenagers are starting to act more mature than the Sims community these days. It just felt like I was in a room full of preschoolers the same age as my nephew.

Absolutely agree. It's disturbing how the general population has gotten. Which does circle back to your point on the questionable "safe space" that this video is trying to push. Maybe it is in game, but certainly not when you go out of game and try to interact with the community.

The internet has always had it's share of jerks, but it has seemed like it's gotten worse lately. I don't remember it being as prevalent in TS2 days (here or anywhere). Maybe I was too young to pay attention, but.. I think I was pretty aware of my surroundings.

Oh and your right, nothing makes it right or justifies it. It's just a really sad fact. I guess all we can do is try to filter it out for ourselves the best we can. The people directly hit (like Dev's and such) I hope grow thick skins.

LOL The girl in the beginning at :10 "Things can happen that you would not expect." WRONG. Nothing unexpected happens, one of my biggest complaints about TS4.

This video is stupid. I don't even get what they are trying to do with this advertisement, as if before now only certain people could or did play the sims? I'm kind of sick of all this social engineering crap that's going on with big companies these days. We get it, everyone is different, it's not a new concept, it's been known since the beginning of time. Give me an advertisement telling me how the devs are going to do things different and how they are going to change and make improvements and start listening to the community more and I'll give you some money.

"Vagenius;c-17312868" wrote:
LOL The girl in the beginning at :10 "Things can happen that you would not expect." WRONG. Nothing unexpected happens, one of my biggest complaints about TS4.

This video is stupid. I don't even get what they are trying to do with this advertisement, as if before now only certain people could or did play the sims? I'm kind of sick of all this social engineering plum that's going on with big companies these days. We get it, everyone is different, it's not a new concept, it's been known since the beginning of time. Give me an advertisement telling me how the devs are going to do things different and how they are going to change and make improvements and start listening to the community more and I'll give you some money.

Everyone is different which Maxis doesn't get with their life simulation game making all the Sims Stepford robot clones. It's sad when the supernaturals in the game have more humanity to them than the Sims that are supposed to simulate humans.

Then some of you really are not going to like this -

https://www.herl.pitt.edu/symposia/virtual-reality/presentations/LoPresti.pdf


http://www.gamestudies.org/0601/articles/griebel



https://www.technologyreview.com/s/402387/sims-psychology/




https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/200311/the-sims-suburban-rhapsody

How Sims are used in Psychology today...... so not just the devs think its a good idea. I also know several schools in Massachusetts that have a class or two for 4-6th graders where they use the Sims 2 to teach social skills, running a household, positive behaviors etc in special education classes. They have had nothing but positive results and their parents seem quite happy about it from what my sister -in-law tells me. She was one of the teachers who first brought the game before the school board 12 - 14 years ago.


Here's what the UK did:

https://www.nfer.ac.uk/publications/FUTL49/FUTL49.pdf