Clipping vs Routing Issues

"shenice93;12479127" wrote:

"Vampirspiegelei;12479114" wrote:
I'd rather have them clip occasionally than do the silly shuffle dance every time they com within a meter of each other.

For the record. I didn't see any clipping in those videos until someone pointed it out... you have to deliberately watching for it to happen.
For more records - clipping is common in basically any 3D game... deal with it B)

Agreed! I'd rather have sims walking through each other than the horrible traffic jams that occurred outside the rabbit holes in TS3 University. The nightmares I have over that! Great EP otherwise, but that was game breaking for me.

But why is this so? It's the same team. Why couldn't it actually be a better, technologically improved AI and routing than this? Doesn't that say something to you?

I mean don't you expect the new game with a new engine to work better than the TS3 engine and crippled AI? Is this the solution? really? Surely, this is one big fat joke.

"shenice93;12479127" wrote:

"Vampirspiegelei;12479114" wrote:
I'd rather have them clip occasionally than do the silly shuffle dance every time they com within a meter of each other.

For the record. I didn't see any clipping in those videos until someone pointed it out... you have to deliberately watching for it to happen.
For more records - clipping is common in basically any 3D game... deal with it B)

Agreed! I'd rather have sims walking through each other than the horrible traffic jams that occurred outside the rabbit holes in TS3 University. The nightmares I have over that! Great EP otherwise, but that was game breaking for me.

I never understood why they couldn't program Sims 3 people to use better pathfinding. Or at least have them disappear the second they got NEAR the door. I could easily sacrifice seeing them walk through a doorway if it meant not waiting a full sim hour to get 4 of them in the plumming building!

"Stormkeep;12413690" wrote:
I play a lot of online games and really hate the ones where players are "solid" and can block each other, so the clipping thing wasn't even something I noticed until you all mentioned it here...because it's normal in so many of the games I do play long term.

I totally get why it bothers some people though,

Yeah this ^^ I play Guild Wars 2 and some other online games and have for years and the characters are never solid. That was Sony's fix for Everquest years ago due to other players intentionally blocking doors so others couldn't get through. I didn't notice it either until someone pointed it out. I don't know how I feel about it in the Sims...going to have to wait and see I guess when the game is released.

I always thought its so weird that they could never fix these routing issues in The Sims 3! The game could've been so much better once they patched out those things, but they never did. :(

"netguysteve;12478470" wrote:

"MoonShadow;12413708" wrote:
IThere is a reason why The Sims doesn't have a competitor and that might be because a Sims game is mighty difficult to make

It has more to do with the fact that it's not wise to try to enter a market where a competitor has a high level of brand loyalty. Some of the fans of The Sims are downright rabid in their defense of their favorite version of The Sims. Just look around these forums for proof of that.

There actually was a short-lived game called "Singles" which was pretty much a Sims clone. It didn't work out because The Sims was already too well known and had established too much brand loyalty.

That being said, if TheSims were to lose some of that loyalty, a competitive product that addressed some of the issues that disgruntled fans had would look very appealing to another studio and publisher. If The Sims 4 truly does turn out to be a disaster, that could be the tipping point and clones could indeed start popping up.

This is exactly what happened to Sony with Everquest. They were really the only game at the time that was popular and in 3D and all that. They had no competition to speak of so they didn't cater to fans much. Yeah we got answers but it was just blah blah blah. They really didn't "address" the issues so many fans complained about. They pretty much did what they wanted and said the game wouldn't be fun if they didn't make everyone run 4 real time hours to get their corpse, etc...said it would take the challenge out of the game.

Blizzard saw an opportunity and ran with it. WoW had different more cartoony graphics but could run on many many computers, everything the fans complained about was addressed and now look. I think history speaks for itself and some day EA might have some competition if things continue and people really don't buy the game or EP's. Because if the base game isn't fun, I plan to go no further.

"Cinebar;12479143" wrote:


But why is this so? It's the same team. Why couldn't it actually be a better, technologically improved AI and routing than this? Doesn't that say something to you?

I mean don't you expect the new game with a new engine to work better than the TS3 engine and crippled AI? Is this the solution? really? Surely, this is one big fat joke.

Surely, these pictures have been taken from an incomplete, earlier build of the game. Surely, most people, including you, are aware of this as it has been said multiple times. Surely, I'd love for my game to work perfectly. Surely, most gamers are aware that clipping is a problem in any 3D game and have accepted that current technology just isn't good enough to get rid of it entirely.

Surely, you can stop twisting what I say.

I never said that it couldn't actually just be "better." I also never said that I didn't have a problem with any clipping. I said in an earlier post that clipping is irritating and I'd rather not deal with it.

The shuffling in TS3 was a result of the AI trying and failing to re-route in order to prevent clipping. One sim would go through a door, another would try to do so too, but couldn't because the previous sim was in a way, and another sim would show up, and so on and so forth. Next thing you know, you have a bunch of sims standing in front of the door waiting and preventing other sims from getting in. NONE of them would re-route to use another door. They would ALL just stand there doing nothing, meanwhile time still moves forward. In the case of University EP, sims would lose progress on their degree because they couldn't get inside for class. Sims were even prevented from graduating and receiving their diploma because of this. It was a game breaker for me. I love that EP otherwise, but I rarely send my sims to get degrees because of it.

This problem could be fixed with smarter AI, that use other doors if available. Or it could be fixed with sims walking through each other. Either way, your sim isn't missing classes and is attending the ceremony to receive their diploma. TS4 most definitely contains the former. The latter is an issue that may or may not be in the game to any degree because we haven't seen the actual finished game yet.

Okay I don't mind sims walking through each other if it improves routing but walking through objects? Not to good but I'll probably get used to it!

I never had routing problems with the sims, other than at doors (in university, when they gradeuated it was so annoying) but nothing that would bother me too much. Now that I've seen all of these videos all I can notice is the clipping. In one video there is a pregnant female siting down and her tummy looks just awful :/ I hope they fix this

Info on the AI in regards to clipping and routing:

http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/772379/the-sims-4-a-i/p1

The arms of my *fat* sim are clipping into her body! can anyone help?
please do if you can btw i downloaded a new mod maybe its broken exept its still work in progress. Its by MermanSimmer.